Thanks DonWii I was just going to Say something like :

Shipped to Warehouse
Sold to retail
Sold to Consumer
This does raise the question of how many PS3's they are still producing and keeping in there warehouses, I guess that number must either be very large indeed or they have reduced production.

Well it's the same problem faced by so many programmers....people who don't read, or can't  grasp simple concepts.

You are a bit dense, are you, despite the fact that you yourself quote the picture trying to explain the difference between shipped, sold and sold _to_end_user? Let me assure you that _everybody_ believes Sony's shipped figures in previous financial reports. You don't seem to understand the legal ramifications of false statements in a financial report. Nonethless, it is difficult to estimate the number of units Sony shipped in the first quarter, but a guess of 0.5-1M units seems reasonable by reading between the lines of the first quarter report.

I believe DonWii meant that no one was mistaking their 'shipped to warehouse' figures for 'sold to consumers', and the difference was embarrassing for Sony, so they changed to 'sold to retailers' which is a much closer number and can be mistaken by the media for 'sold to consumers'.

Personally I think  it was more to do with embarrassment then any intention to actually mislead (within the law)...then again PR (read Spin) is a major part of Business.

@drkohler - What DonWii said made perfect sense. Please be gentle next time. When you call someone out and go so far as to say they're "dense," you'd better be right or else you're inviting them or someone else to put that label on you. Friendly advice.

@DonWii - That diagram really does make things crystal clear. Pretty sneaksy, Sony.

I like it.

I just suggest that factory and warehouse be clearly seperated.  And just put it in a straight descending chain to make it 100% clear so absolutely no idiot can mess it up.  When they have to look back and forth they might get confused or they might lose track of what's going on in the diagram while thoughts of how "good" killzone 2 will be overtake their mind.

I totally agree about everything you said but this time you misread what diomedes said.

He said his thoughts were the PS3 sold 4.0 million which is 100k higher than vgchartz and in a range of +/-5% which vgchartz claims to be in.

And what he said about the e-mails was that a person without the information we have here has to think Sony sold those consoles to consumers.

So what he said was: They are not offensive because they don´t know it better. And well: that´s true.


@Ioi: How about tracking "shipped" data, too? I know, we´ve got this "hardware" page but how about asking retailers how big their shipments usually are and uptade the "shipped" figure ones a month?

The numbers could look like: "XBox 360: 10,07M sold to consumers" and small below: "as off 12,70M shipped to retailers." What about that?

 Precisely.

Louie said: I totally agree about everything you said but this time you misread what diomedes said. He said his thoughts were the PS3 sold 4.0 million which is 100k higher than vgchartz and in a range of +/-5% which vgchartz claims to be in. And what he said about the e-mails was that a person without the information we have here has to think Sony sold those consoles to consumers. So what he said was: They are not offensive because they don´t know it better. And well: that´s true. @Ioi: How about tracking "shipped" data, too? I know, we´ve got this "hardware" page but how about asking retailers how big their shipments usually are and uptade the "shipped" figure ones a month? The numbers could look like: "XBox 360: 10,07M sold to consumers" and small below: "as off 12,70M shipped to retailers." What about that?

Well the Wii bar would always be the exact same for both.  Well there you go ioi!  Now you only have to work on 2 consoles.  It wouldn't be THAT much more work...