I'm glad you bolded (Is that a word??)  that for me.  If I had the CHOICE I wouldn't have gotten the Wii with Wii sports. Useless.  I may be in the minority.  But the minority does exist. 

The problem I see is that any estimate of what should or shouldn't be allotted as copies of Wii Sports that would/wouldn't have been sold is exactly that, an estimate.  What is a fair estimate and according to whom is it fair?

I'm not fond of making estimates when its easy for someone (even myself) to sway the result towards a desired outcome.  It's an invitation for bias, and bias is not always consciously imposed.

In any case I think you would concede that given your choice to take the gameless Wii bundle you would then logically purchase another game in its place anyways.  And while in your case we could accurately deem that Wii Sports was unwanted and thus inflationary to the total software number since you would have purchased another piece of software anyways, there exists no way to measure such a thing for all Wii owners. Which, of course, means we would have to invent an estimate.

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You're right.  I'll leave it at that. Have a good night. :)

^ I salute this poster.

You know if they were to take Wii sports out of the software ratio for the wii it would be lower than the other two in europe..

You are talking about VGC sales yes.... which for Europe ioi admits the software totals are largely incomplete.

Even so I think you are probably right, though Wii and PS3 ratio's would still be close. But as Sqrlhas proved, taking out all of Wii Sports is an ignorant thing to do given that without a packed in game people would have bought a game when they bought it, whether than be Wii Sports or something else.

I still say that the Wii is a huge hardware sales success, but does not live up to its promise for controls.

As far as I know the 2 poster children for motion control our Wii Sports and RE4. Release game and what a GCN game with motion control added. This year has had 2 games of note (Mario Kart Wii and SSBB).

For Nintendo fans this is great because the Wii sells like nothing before it. For people that wanted to see gaming move forward I believe the Wii has not done anything.

Some more week 44 Euro charts to make my point:

Ireland: nothing really for Wii

01 (01) FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
03 (02) Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami)
04 (05) Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Bros. Interactive)
05 (04) Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
06 (09) Dr Kawashima's Brain Training (Nintendo)
07 (03) Fable 2 (Microsoft)
08 (11) Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
09 (__) Quantum of Solace (Activision Blizzard)
10 (06) Saints Row 2 (THQ)
11 (07) Dead Space (Electronic Arts)
12 (13) Star Wars: The Force Unleashed (LucasArts)
13 (14) Mario & Sonic at the Olypmic Games (Sega)
14 (10) The Simpsons Game (Electronic Arts)
15 (16) Midnight Club: Los Angeles (Take 2)
16 (08) Wii Fit (Nintendo)
17 (__) High School Musical 3: Senior Year (Disney Interactive Studios)
18 (18) Tiger Woods PGA Tour 09 (Electronic Arts)
19 (12) Wii Play (Nintendo)
20 (17) Grand Theft Auto IV (Take 2)

Denmark:

01 (__) Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
02 (01) FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
03 (__) Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 (Electronic Arts)
04 (02) Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
05 (03) Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Bros. Interactive)
06 (04) Saints Row 2 (THQ)
07 (__) Alone in the Dark (Atari)
08 (__) Wall-E (THQ)
09 (20) Lego Indiana Jones: Original Adventures (Activision Blizzard)
10 (14) Guitar Hero: Aerosmith (Activision Blizzard)
11 (12) Guitar Hero III: Legends of Rock (Activison Blizzard)
12 (__) The Golden Compass (Sega)
13 (__) Ratatouille (THQ)
14 (05) Fable 2 (Microsoft)
15 (13) Need for Speed: ProStreet (Electronic Arts)
16 (__) Sega Superstars Tennis (Sega)
17 (__) Biler: Bumles Internatonal (THQ)
18 (__) Buzz! Junior: Monster Rumble (Sony Computer Ent.)
19 (__) The Spiderwick Chronicals (Sierra)
20 (__) High School Musical: Sing it! (Disney Interactive Stud

France: 1 Wii 4 PS360

01 (01) [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami)
02 (02) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
03 (__) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
04 (__) [PS3] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
05 (04) [PS3] FIFA 09 (THQ)

Spain: PS360 domination as the other countries:

01 (__) [PS3] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
02 (__) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
03 (__) [PS2] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
04 (__) [PS3] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
05 (__) [PS3] MOTO GP 08 (Capcom)
06 (__) [360] Pro Evolution Soccer 09 (Konami)
07 (__) [PS3] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
08 (__) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
09 (__) [PS3] Dead Space (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)

Italy: Wii makes one title in the top 10, at #7

01 (01) [PS3] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami)
02 (__) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
03 (02) [360] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami)
04 (01) [PS2] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
05 (__) [PS3] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
06 (__) [360] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
07 (04) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
08 (__) [PS3] MOTO GP 08 (Capcom)
09 (__) [PS3] Dead Space (Electronic Arts)
10 (__) [360] Dead Space (Electronic Arts)
11 (07) [PS3] Saints Row 2 (THQ)
12 (04) [PS3] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
13 (10) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
14 (__) [PS3] Midnight Club: Los Angeles (Take 2)
15 (13) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)

Germany: PS2/PS3/360 dominate Wii 7-2

01 (__) [PS2] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami)
02 (01) [PS3] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
03 (03) [PS2] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
04 (06) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
05 (08) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
06 (04) [NDS] Mario Kart DS (Nintendo)
07 (10) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
08 (02) [360] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
09 (__) [PS3] Uncharted: Drake's Fortune (Sony Computer Ent.)
10 (__) [PS3] Gran Turismo 5 Prologue (Sony Computer Ent.)

Sweden: Wii barely avoids being shut out of the top 10

01 (__) [360] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
02 (__) [PC] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
03 (01) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
04 (__) [PS3] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
05 (__) [PC] Command & Conquer: Red Alert 3 (Electronic Arts)
06 (02) [PC] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
07 (03) [360] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
08 (04) [PS3] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
09 (06) [PS2] Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Bros. Interactive)
10 (09) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
11 (07) [360] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
12 (16) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
13 (12) [PS2] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
14 (10) [PS3] FIFA 09 (Electronic Arts)
15 (__) [PC] The Sims 2: Livin' Large (Electronic Arts)
16 (05) [360] Saints Row 2 (THQ)
17 (__) [PS2] Pro Evolution Soccer 2009 (Konami)
18 (19) [PC] Counter-Strike 1: Anthology (Valve)
19 (__) [PC] NHL 09 (Electronic Arts)
20 (__) [360] NHL 09 (Electronic Arts)

Australia, a relatively good showing for Wii:

01 (__) [360] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
02 (01) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
03 (02) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
04 (__) [PS3] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
05 (__) [PC] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
06 (03) [WII] Wii Play (Nintendo)
07 (04) [WII] Mario Kart Wii (Nintendo)
08 (__) [NDS] Sight Training (Nintendo)
09 (07) [PS3] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
10 (05) [360] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)

New Zealand: Once again the one Wii game is lonely...

01 (01) [360] Fable 2 (Microsoft)
02 (__) [360] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
03 (__) [PS3] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
04 (__) [PC] Fallout 3 (Bethesda Softworks)
05 (07) [WII] Wii Fit (Nintendo)
06 (__) [360] Far Cry 2 (Ubisoft)
07 (08) [PS2] Rock Band (Electronic Arts)
08 (02) [PS2] Lego Batman: The Videogame (Warner Bros. Interactive)
09 (__) [PS3] Midnight Club: Los Angeles (Take 2)
10 (10) [360] Rock Band (Electronic Arts)

Now I can see some of why this is, Wii is not getting any new releases. The same 2-3 titles sell over and over. Still, the point stands.

No, it doesn't, because the Wii still sold more software than either HD console in EU last week.

Software Totals:
Note that software figures are largely incomplete.

Console	Weekly	Total	Tie Ratio
	1,012,405	57,566,387	4.49
	811,342	28,709,985	3.40
	744,337	30,248,155	3.88
	537,624	72,743,930	2.17
	319,568	n/a	n/a
	68,795	4,874,012	0.33
Total	3,494,071

And Worldwide:

Software Totals:
Note that software figures are largely incomplete.

Console	Weekly	Total	Tie Ratio
	3,018,218 (+11%)	180,352,838	5.09
	2,928,399 (-0%)	160,415,780	7.19
	2,090,122 (+19%)	81,350,734	4.93
	1,906,702 (+3%)	302,947,872	3.58
	855,604 (+30%)	n/a	n/a
	373,781 (-14%)	82,792,421	2.09
	1,201 (-6%)	n/a	n/a
Total	11,174,027

Do you want me to explain to you how this is possible, or is it finally sinking in?

^Famous ringo is right. Those charts are just as useful as McCain winning the most number of counties in the US Presidential election.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:2008_General_Election_Results_by_County.PNG

McCain might have won so many counties, yet Obama wins the electoral college votes. Just think of those small country charts as US counties.