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bdbdbd said:

@Yushire: The end of gaming as we know it, happened with NES, it also happened when the games went to 3D and it's happening now too. With the difference, that the instance that's driving the change, has no motivation to give up with the old audience. I've explained this to you a few times already, but you still don't seem to understand.
Nintendo wants to upstream the new audience. When they do, the new audience buys X amount of the blue ocean/disruptive games, when they move up in tiers, they buy bridged games and when they keep moving up, they end up buying core games.
If we assume that the blue ocean audience would be a million in size and everyone would upstream and the core audience would be the same size, but they would go to lower tiers only up to bridged games:
You would sell million copies of blue ocean games.
You would sell two million copies of bridged games.
You would sell two million copies of core games.

So, what it would mean is, that the core audience games would get even more profitable to publishers, making even bigger budgets possible, instead of abandoning the "hardcore", in the end Nintendo is saving the "hardcore".

So Nintendo isn't abandoning their business strategy, they just continue it. Look at the number of the party games/minigames Nintendo have published in a while. The latest is around 1,5 years old and there's not a new one in sight, outside Wii Sports Resort, which essentially is just a tech demo that you have something to play along Wii Motion Plus (and to boost its sales, of course).
We aren't seeing Wii Sports 2, Wii Fit 2 is a remote possibility, but what we will see, is a big number of bridged and core games.
The core games aren't going anywhere, the old audience, whose values are "more the same with flashier visuals" just will be the minority in the audience, whose values lie in innovation and gameplay - in the core of videogames.

 

Its odd because I post that you commented before I posted this thread, Ninty pushing their core title Wario Land Shake it with free gas, and somehow contradicting my views on whats happening in real world:

http://vgchartz.com/forum/thread.php?id=43084

I've doop before with Wii Music that its just a waggle fest, thats why I didnt post so much about Wii Music these days.

Though my views can never change I admit my opinions can be easily debunk just by own observation itself. Anyway, I just wait for you to comment on my post, I never post just to debate on this thread again I might just wait for the rumor conference of Ninty before giving any opinions ever again...

P.S. bdbdbd you're sure right, Ninty did promoting and upstreaming the lower tier with their core games, I think we're just blind to see it.

 

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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Wii Music is a piece of crap. It is accessible but it isn't immersive or fun in any way. It won't even break one million (at least in NA/EU), quote me on this.

 

DISCLAIMER: My post isn't supposed to be trolling, no matter how you spin the definition of "troll".



slimeattack said:

Wii Music is a piece of crap. It is accessible but it isn't immersive or fun in any way. It won't even break one million (at least in NA/EU), quote me on this.

 

DISCLAIMER: My post isn't supposed to be trolling, no matter how you spin the definition of "troll".

 

Calling something you haven't played, have no desire to play and isn't even out yet a "piece of crap" that's "not immersive or fun in any way" isn't trolling?

Seriously, people get a free pass to rag on Wii Music all they want. If I popped into a discussion about LBP and said "this game is a piece of crap and is in no way immersive or fun" people would tell me to quit trolling and get out of the thread. (Please note, I'm looking forward to LBP very much.)



@yushire: The "blindness" is mostly ignorance. And i'm not necessarily meaning ignorance of individuals, but the collective ignorance of gaming media in general. Yamauchi and Iwata talked about Wii (and DS) and their strategy years in advance, even Reggie was telling what they are doing in every conference and interview, but nobody ever cared to pay any attention. Then they say "wow, nobody saw that coming".

In the end, apparently it's not enough for Nintendo to tell that they aren't going to ditch their most profitable audience and release the majority of their games for the audience to back up their words. Nintendo releases four blue ocean games, and they are focusing on the new audience for some reason.

I wouldn't want to dissappoint you, but even that Wario is a core franchise, Shake It, as a 2D platformer isn't a core game (atleast on home consoles, handhelds have had some 2D platformers in recent years). The last "pure" 2D platformer i recall on home consoles, is Mischief Makers on N64, and that was a decade ago. What Shake It is, is a bridge game at most. It's primarly a title for gamers from the 2D era.



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Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

bdbdbd said:
@yushire: The "blindness" is mostly ignorance. And i'm not necessarily meaning ignorance of individuals, but the collective ignorance of gaming media in general. Yamauchi and Iwata talked about Wii (and DS) and their strategy years in advance, even Reggie was telling what they are doing in every conference and interview, but nobody ever cared to pay any attention. Then they say "wow, nobody saw that coming".

In the end, apparently it's not enough for Nintendo to tell that they aren't going to ditch their most profitable audience and release the majority of their games for the audience to back up their words. Nintendo releases four blue ocean games, and they are focusing on the new audience for some reason.

 

Its funny because thats what how will I feel when the october conference was real and Nintendo will announced some games on that conference. Sorry but I didnt get the hype and expectations on the last fall conference since I didnt own a Wii only till this year. I think Im not even posting on this site at all last year.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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Maybe disco is alive and well where you live bdbdbd, but disco died in the USA in the nineteen seventies.  And metal is still alive because Metallica had the best selling album in the USA last week.



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqLMgbtrB8

@Paul Warren: Disco is alive the same way rock&roll is, as you claimed a few posts back.
Then i showed you the "disruption" made by disco (and also rock&roll) since you were claiming music had never been disrupted.

In the post, where you said rock&roll is alive, you showed the sustaining change, that is keeping rock&roll alive, and i just used the same argumentation about the sustaining change, as you did, to show how disco is alive.

And if we start splitting subcategories into more subcategories, you'll notice that heavy metal is indeed dead.

And what kind of a genre is Motown? If we dig it a little deeper, we'll notice that "Motown" is a magic word to marginalize "unwanted" music. Rock&roll was "Motown" music, punk was "Motown" music. At the moment "Motown" is just a fancy way to say nigger music, that the real music listeners (ie, whites) shouldn't care about. Books industry has kids books, games industry has casual games, movies industry has indie movies.
Naming music after a controversial record company can't have positive echo.

How the music should be looked at, is social music (that you can dance with or without a partner; pick up music) and non-social music (that you can dance alone or not at all).
Rock&roll was social music at the time, but the sustaining change took the music into non-social.
When disco made a breakthrough, it was because of it going back to rock&roll, with being social "pick up" music. The sustaining change took it into the pop music (and to hiphop to an extent) through the 80's, or the "bubblegum" of the time, into 90's, where it was seen in techno/dance. Today, the hiphop influence seems to be mostly gone, leaving dance (and a number of techno subcategories) left from the 90's techno&dance music, which represents the pick up music that have been here since disco became popular.

On a side note, the social/non-social aspect fits videogames too, which would be a great way to categorize games instead of the current categorizing.



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Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The+Billboard+Hot+100

Which one of these songs is disco and which one is techno? The majority seem to have a hip hop influence to me.


http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Albums&f=The+Billboard+200

Again which one of these albums is disco or techno?

#1 is metal. #4 has metal, hip hop, and country influences; and the rest all seem to be hip hop.  Do you see a disco or techno album in the list?



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqLMgbtrB8

@Paul Warren: You don't seem to getting the issue here. You claim how something is alive due to its influence on something else. Then you claim that something else is dead, despite its influence.

The thing is, that the metal isn't anymore what it was. Despite some random retro band, like Metallica, still making records, doesn't mean that the genre itself would be alive and well, as it used to be. It doesn't even mean that Metallica would make the same music as it used to do. Analogy with Megaman 9 would be pretty good, even that the Megaman 9 got released and broke sales records on the platform, it doesn't mean that 2D gaming would be alive and well, or that the 2D gaming even were what it was.



Ei Kiinasti.

Eikä Japanisti.

Vaan pannaan jalalla koreasti.

 

Nintendo games sell only on Nintendo system.

Really looking forward to the forums around March next year, when all the "hardcore" decry the mammoth sales (and legs) of WiiMusic...



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