I can't help it but smile at this list. I would pick that more than 50% of those games on the Xbox360 side made money, and that can only be good if I want to see future RPGs. Its great to see the Xbox360 selling the RPGs so well. If this trend continues I would have to pick that FFXIII would sell better on the 360 than the PS3 due to the sheer numbers of RPG/JRPG fans the Xbox360 is picking up.

The Wii numbers are strange, for a system thats sold 10million more consoles than the Xbox360 to be this far behind in sales numbers for RPGs just baffles the mind.

Compared to Sony in FPS department, MS so far JRPG gambit is failure. Resistance sold more then combined JRPGs released on 360. And on top of that Resistance is owned by Sony unlike every JRPG on 360 including IU. At least Sony own and fund WKS the only JRPG comparable to FF in budget and quality and is confirmed to release before 1Q 09.

I'll make a quotable quote here, for all to see, since we're on the subject of flaming trolls:

I, ZenfoldorVGI, believe and hope that Tales of Vesperia will recieve between a 75 and 85 percent rating on gamerankings. This won't mean the game sucks, but instead that it is not for everyone, and instead pleases jrpg fans, and in particular, the Tales of fanbase. Similar games that will always recieve these scores are the Phoenix Wright series, and the Disgaea series. The vast majority of people touting and looking forward to this game also realize that it won't be reviewed as a AAA title. When the scores are released, no one will be "owned" and no one will be dissapointed. This game is not the next Haze. Nobody on this forum believes ToV will get 90 percent, not even close. We're shooting for an 85, and such a score should be considered AAA for the series.

	Tales of Symphonia  Publisher: Namco Number of P/Reviews: 179	GameCube	85.7%

	Tales of the Abyss  Publisher: Namco Bandai Games America Number of P/Reviews: 46	PlayStation 2	79.1%

Both superb games, and fantastic examples of the jrpg genre, in the eyes of most Tales fans.

Now, if the game ends with a 74 or below, I'll probably still get it, but I think that would be a fair starting point for calling the game a flop. I still wouldn't be dissapointed. Not even a little. I really hope it ends up somewhere in the 80s. That would be a great day for me, and a victory for the game. - August 22, 2008

Copy and paste this if the game doesn't flop and some troll starts to give you crap about the review score.

Yeah, and it'll probably take at least 3 first party shooter titles at least to beat the sales of one Xbox360 FPS game - Halo 3. Furthermore Resistance isn't even 1st party, its 2nd party so all that lovely profit is going to Insomniac not Sony. Infinite Undiscovery is owned by Microsoft its in their trademarks and quality doesn't equal budget because Gears of War 2 shoots down that faulty premise like a duck from the sky, and it'll probably outsell Killzone 2 anyway for far less in development costs.

Did I leave anything out?

lol, how in the name of god did he even come up with that post? Is old snake the default avatar for trolls, lol? It must be the first sony symbol that comes to mind for them. It's like there's the 3 guys with the old snake avatar that troll all the time, and the guy with the old snake avatar with pink windows paint around him that trolls, and then gets hostile about rebuttals.

Hey Shanbcn, Lost Odyssey exists, also, Resistance wasn't exactly groundbreaking, and at best Sony's FPS "department" is unproven. Now while your assertion that Sony might make more off Resistance and Killzone than Microsoft will make off of Lost Odyssey or Blue Dragon, you've missed the point. See, MS has a "FPS division" too. The got some awesome shooters, plus the jrpgs, which is great for MS customers. While profit is nice, it's even better when you own a console that plays kickass games that were bought by the company, at their loss, to make you happy. It's great when you have great games, and don't have to bargin and damage control things like FFXIII exclusivity, simply because your console's company is trying to stay out of the red.

...and that's just it. For me, Microsoft is my console's company. For you, the PS3 is your company's console. Microsoft is going broke keeping up with Sony, but it's doing one hell of a job. There is no clear superior console. It's just one great machine, and another great machine, both with a bunch of differentiated games. When you try to marginalize the games on one console just because you are a fanboy of a competing company, you degrade yourself, and your opinions. There is no need for fanboyism. It is a pathalogical state. A completely unnecessary and reversable one.

My final question is, how the hell do you think that WKS is equal in quality with Final Fantasy? I mean I think it will be a great game, but aren't you trolling? Don't you just think it will be FF quality because it's a PS3 exclusive and you hope it will be?

Doesn't SE now own Infinite Undiscovery?

Infinite Undiscovery was announced in September 2006 via Famitsu.^[7] Initially it was believed that Microsoft would publish the game^[8], however at TGS 2007 Hajime Kojima and Hiroshi Ogawa stated that Square-Enix took over publishing duties because they have more "know-how" with RPGs.^[9] However, since Microsoft was the original publisher, they still hold the intellectual property rights for Infinite Undiscovery.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infinite_Undiscovery

According to wikipedia.org, RPGs are heralded as some of the most popular games in the west. I believe it was in like 3-4th place as best selling genre. RPGs are simply missunderstood by most "Americans" but not the "GAMERS" i believe. It appeals to the Jap loving/Anime crowd of the US and there are many of us. Enough to get some decent sales out of a good RPG.And also, Ninja Gaiden is not an RPG, you should have said Mass Effect.

OT:The original RPGs on the 360 were: Mass Effect(Good), Blue Dragon (Terrible),Lost Odyssey (Mixed Opinions), Eternal Sonata(Good), Tales of Vesperia(Good)

None of the  the previously stated JRPGs have passed the million mark which in my opinion and developers out there is range of a successful game, especially with how much they cost these days. Mass Effect had an advantage over it's JRPG counterparts cuz it catered to the audience that the 360 is known for, shooters. THat is why the game at least got into the millions mark. By acquiring as many JRPGs as possible MS is trying to cut in on what Sony has held as their stronghold for so long, RPGs. This was always their ace in the whole, FF especially.

Whether MS has made any real ground has yet to be seen. None of there JRPGs have made any groundbreaking success(besides TOV selling well in Japan) so expect many JRPG companies to be steering towards multiplat or PS3 exclusive  from now on. Now it is Sony's turn to get a plethera of JRPGs. I expect these to sell better as I dont believe the fanbase of the system has changed. I believe every JRPG for PS3 will at least sell a mill (the good ones, not shit like Enchanted Arms). Disgaea 3, WKC, Valkyria Chronicles, FFXIII, and FF Versus XIII, these are almost assured million sellers(speculation anyway).

Yet MS is not giving up on the Genre without a fight. They have come a long way from having an JRPG less system alla the XBOX and having more then Sony at this point. The head start they had really helped them in this department as it would be simple to get companies to sign on because you have the larger fanbase. Unfortunately for the JRPG market it has not proven itself to be in their favor.

I have no doubt that FFXIII, FFvXIII, and WKC will be million sellers.  However, Disgaea 3 and VC would be lucky to reach 500K

forevercloud3000 said:

According to wikipedia.org, RPGs are heralded as some of the most popular games in the west. I believe it was in like 3-4th place as best selling genre. RPGs are simply missunderstood by most "Americans" but not the "GAMERS" i believe. It appeals to the Jap loving/Anime crowd of the US and there are many of us. Enough to get some decent sales out of a good RPG.And also, Ninja Gaiden is not an RPG, you should have said Mass Effect.

OT:The original RPGs on the 360 were: Mass Effect(Good), Blue Dragon (Terrible),Lost Odyssey (Mixed Opinions), Eternal Sonata(Good), Tales of Vesperia(Good)

Blue Dragon was actually a good JRPG, if you even bothered to play it (which I'm sure you didnt, but rather based your opinion on some review score/comment that fit your agenda best).  It was very Japanese-centric, and the story was pretty mediocre (borderline corny at various moments), but it had a great battle system (imo much better than lost odyssey and eternal sonata).  If you enjoyed classic JRPGs, i think you may actually enjoy this game.  What you may also find interesting is that it has the best Famitsu review out of all the RPGs you listed (they gave it a 37/40), but then again, what would Japanese reviewers know about JRPGs, right?  But i will agree that it probably is not for a mainstream rpg gamer (*looks at your cloud avatar*).  its not your fault, you were only trolling. 

None of the the previously stated JRPGs have passed the million mark which in my opinion and developers out there is range of a successful game, especially with how much they cost these days. Mass Effect had an advantage over it's JRPG counterparts cuz it catered to the audience that the 360 is known for, shooters. THat is why the game at least got into the millions mark. By acquiring as many JRPGs as possible MS is trying to cut in on what Sony has held as their stronghold for so long, RPGs. This was always their ace in the whole, FF especially.

Whether MS has made any real ground has yet to be seen. None of there JRPGs have made any groundbreaking success(besides TOV selling well in Japan) so expect many JRPG companies to be steering towards multiplat or PS3 exclusive from now on. Now it is Sony's turn to get a plethera of JRPGs. I expect these to sell better as I dont believe the fanbase of the system has changed. I believe every JRPG for PS3 will at least sell a mill (the good ones, not shit like Enchanted Arms). Disgaea 3, WKC, Valkyria Chronicles, FFXIII, and FF Versus XIII, these are almost assured million sellers(speculation anyway).

I agree with Riachu, i think Disgaea 3 and Valkyria Chronicles will struggle to even reach 400-500k (at least from looking at the japanese sales of 110k and 140k respectively) for such niche japan-centric strategy rpgs.  you're argument that ps3 is a better jrpg selling machine is very weak.

Yet MS is not giving up on the Genre without a fight. They have come a long way from having an JRPG less system alla the XBOX and having more then Sony at this point. The head start they had really helped them in this department as it would be simple to get companies to sign on because you have the larger fanbase. Unfortunately for the JRPG market it has not proven itself to be in their favor.