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appolose said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Clinton's missile strikes in Afghanistan missed Bin Laden by a few hours. Fucker got lucky. Clinton was closer than Bush ever was to getting him.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp


Clinton ordered the assassination of Bin Laden later but couldn't find him this time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1558918.stm



People thought Clinton was nuts when he was talking about terrorism all the time. Nobody remembers this because it's been overshadowed by Lewinsky. But the anti-terror budget tripled under Clinton.


Clinton explains his attempts to hunt Bin Laden himself, in an interview, after dooshbags ask him why he didn't do enough.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14986702/



Basically, the Cole got bombed in the east Mediterranean in 2000, right before the election. Clinton wanted revenge, AND BUSH DIDN'T. Bush did not flex a pinky fighting terrorism until 9/11. Clinton had been fighting terrorist his entire administration. The information was all there for the Bush administration, and they didn't give a fuck.

And then when several foreign countries' intelligence agencies warned us about a plan to attack with planes, we didn't do shit. Israeli spies in Hollywood, Florida warned us, after they were tracking the Al-Qaeda men while they were at flight school, and what did we do? Threw them out of the country and didn't listen.

Oh, come on, aren't you claiming quite a bit about Bush and the prior 9-11 warnings?

 

Airports and schools take all bomb threats seriously, but when our government gets a serious warning about a threat of an attack from one of the greatest intelligence agencies in the world, and we laugh it off and kick them out of the country?  It just seems backwards to me.

 



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appolose said:
fkusumot said:
stof said:
Alright - unprovoked war? war built entirely on lies? unilateral war? total fucking crime against humanity war? how should I best approach the semantics of the atrocity that was the Bush administration?

I think "High crimes and Misdemeanors" is the best approach. Hopefully congress will use that one.

 

But why haven't they? Democrat-majority Congress no less? Whether there intentions were good or bad, they would have ample motivation to impeach.

They are afraid impeaching Bush will energize the right base and cost Obama the election.

Why do you think Clinton left office with the highest approval rating since like... FDR.

That and they're lazy. They said they'd end the republican days of the "do nothing" congress yet they've been WORSE.

Probably waiting out the clock so that they don't have to make any compromises after the next election.



The Ghost of RubangB said:
appolose said:
The Ghost of RubangB said:
Clinton's missile strikes in Afghanistan missed Bin Laden by a few hours. Fucker got lucky. Clinton was closer than Bush ever was to getting him.

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/clinton.asp


Clinton ordered the assassination of Bin Laden later but couldn't find him this time.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1558918.stm



People thought Clinton was nuts when he was talking about terrorism all the time. Nobody remembers this because it's been overshadowed by Lewinsky. But the anti-terror budget tripled under Clinton.


Clinton explains his attempts to hunt Bin Laden himself, in an interview, after dooshbags ask him why he didn't do enough.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14986702/



Basically, the Cole got bombed in the east Mediterranean in 2000, right before the election. Clinton wanted revenge, AND BUSH DIDN'T. Bush did not flex a pinky fighting terrorism until 9/11. Clinton had been fighting terrorist his entire administration. The information was all there for the Bush administration, and they didn't give a fuck.

And then when several foreign countries' intelligence agencies warned us about a plan to attack with planes, we didn't do shit. Israeli spies in Hollywood, Florida warned us, after they were tracking the Al-Qaeda men while they were at flight school, and what did we do? Threw them out of the country and didn't listen.

Oh, come on, aren't you claiming quite a bit about Bush and the prior 9-11 warnings?

 

Airports and schools take all bomb threats seriously, but when our government gets a serious warning about a threat of an attack from one of the greatest intelligence agencies in the world, and we laugh it off and kick them out of the country?  It just seems backwards to me.

 

I'm not sure the government should be modeling it's responses to liken that of public schools, and again, I think we serious lack context and knowledge on the warnings.

 



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let's see what Bush has accomplished

-Destruction of the middle class.

-Huge tax cuts for the top 1%, and loopholes for big business.

-Mortgage crisis caused by people who couldn't afford rent anymore and now live with their extended families.

-Putting subsidy money into Ethanol which not only uses gas to create, but is more expensive than gas and has 75% of the power of gas= 3/4ths the MPG

-Worst of all appointed some of the worst supreme court judges, and when i say worst, i mean they take orders directly from him.

-Supervised the passing of two bills of legislation that not only allow cops to arrest anyone on sight and use a cops word as evidence, but also have set up checkpoints in the US' own borders. I know of three people who have already lost cases against cops. 1. for going near a cop car 80 hrs comm. service and 2000+ court fees 2. Vomitting in public (20 hrs comm. service and 2000+ fees) 3.for accidentally calling 911 and then telling the operator they thought they called 411. (10 hrs community service) 200$ court fees. All were made into larger charges. 1 became attempted GTA, resisting arrest, endangering a police officer (the dog in the car) 2 became assault on a police officer because the cop stepped in the vomit and said the kid spit on him. 3 became resisting arrest when they came to the house and the kid explained and they tried to take him to jail anyways.

-lied to all of us
-taken more vacation time than all pres' combined.



MontanaHatchet said:

So, Clinton couldn't have gone through "9-11, Katrina, Iraq, etc.?" Why couldn't he have? 9-11 and Katrina couldn't have cost more than a billion dollars to repair/recover from (and I honestly have no idea how much it cost so I'm giving a generous figure). But then you call out the war in Iraq, which Bush caused himself (so it would be a little silly to blame Clinton for something that only he could have caused, and he likely wouldn't have). And Bush handled Katrina in the most laughable manner possible. If you want some reading material, I can provide you with it. Hell, the Iraqi war has cost over a trillion dollars up to this point, and a lot of that money is growing into debt towards other countries. You know, as if the American debt wasn't great enough...

 

Eh... the Bush Administration was seeking 105 Billion to rebuild after Katrina.

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/04/01/ex_chief_says_fema_readiness_even_worse/

The "Freedom Tower" is going to cost 3 Billion.

So combined 911 and Katrina are like... over 100 times what your generous guess was.

Still... would of been much easier to handle with a budget surplus rather then a deficit.

I believe his budget Surplus was something like 560 Billion.



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Kasz216 said:
appolose said:
fkusumot said:
stof said:
Alright - unprovoked war? war built entirely on lies? unilateral war? total fucking crime against humanity war? how should I best approach the semantics of the atrocity that was the Bush administration?

I think "High crimes and Misdemeanors" is the best approach. Hopefully congress will use that one.

 

But why haven't they? Democrat-majority Congress no less? Whether there intentions were good or bad, they would have ample motivation to impeach.

They are afraid impeaching Bush will energize the right base and cost Obama the election.

Why do you think Clinton left office with the highest approval rating since like... FDR.

That and they're lazy. They said they'd end the republican days of the "do nothing" congress yet they've been WORSE.

Probably waiting out the clock so that they don't have to make any compromises after the next election.

I think you understand why congress is slow right now. Bush has stated that he will veto any resolution that is against his policies.

Oh btw you do know that the biggest news stations in the world have nothing but contempt for Bush, and during his years our relations with the rest of the world have gone to shit. I have seen "f*** america" and Bomb the USA" "fu*k bush" in many countries.

Everyone loved the clinton, and it wasn't just the boom. It was world relations, it was ultra taxing the rich. it was our income per person.

bush almost removed wealthy taxes and even now mccain ads say the obama wants to raise taxes. yeah, he does, for the rich and the billion dollar businesses.

the people that defend bush say, oh but then those companies won't want to do business in the US. yeah, right... like a business is going to want to avoid the largest, wealthiest population in the world



Fair enough. I'm not an expert on the sort, but that's still not much money to the government.



 

 

Sansui said:
Who was better, george bush or bill clinton? Man... I think a more relevant questions would be whether or not there is any other president in history that has been a worse president than Bush.

We definitely had a couple incompetents, like Warren Harding and Ulysses S. Grant, and some corrupt ones like Nixon, but Bush is in a class all by himself IMO.

Bill Clinton was a good president, I'm not sure I would say truly great, but he was competent, well liked, and pretty fiscally responsible.

Really?

What about James Buchanon.  I mean.  The Civil War was basically his fault.

 




American presidents are usually rated in two categories: Domestic and Foreign. Bush has been a colossal failure in both areas. Right now it's not even close. Bush Jr. is down at the very bottom of the presidential cesspool with Nixon (although he was a mixed bag), Harding and Buchanan.


theprof00 said:
Kasz216 said:
appolose said:
fkusumot said:
stof said:
Alright - unprovoked war? war built entirely on lies? unilateral war? total fucking crime against humanity war? how should I best approach the semantics of the atrocity that was the Bush administration?

I think "High crimes and Misdemeanors" is the best approach. Hopefully congress will use that one.

 

But why haven't they? Democrat-majority Congress no less? Whether there intentions were good or bad, they would have ample motivation to impeach.

They are afraid impeaching Bush will energize the right base and cost Obama the election.

Why do you think Clinton left office with the highest approval rating since like... FDR.

That and they're lazy. They said they'd end the republican days of the "do nothing" congress yet they've been WORSE.

Probably waiting out the clock so that they don't have to make any compromises after the next election.

I think you understand why congress is slow right now. Bush has stated that he will veto any resolution that is against his policies.

Oh btw you do know that the biggest news stations in the world have nothing but contempt for Bush, and during his years our relations with the rest of the world have gone to shit. I have seen "f*** america" and Bomb the USA" "fu*k bush" in many countries.

Everyone loved the clinton, and it wasn't just the boom. It was world relations, it was ultra taxing the rich. it was our income per person.

bush almost removed wealthy taxes and even now mccain ads say the obama wants to raise taxes. yeah, he does, for the rich and the billion dollar businesses.

the people that defend bush say, oh but then those companies won't want to do business in the US. yeah, right... like a business is going to want to avoid the largest, wealthiest population in the world

Oh yeah... i'd rank Bush waaaaay at the bottom of presidents and Clinton near the top.  Just saying that's why.

They could at least TRY though.... i mean what they are doing now is why Congress somehow has a lower approval rating then Bush.

All the shit Bush did and the congress is still seen as worse.  I mean push out some legislation and make him look like the bad guy.  It's not like a veto prevents you from submitting the same law again when the president isn't bush.