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Squilliam on 25 July 2008
Shoestar said:
Squilliam said:
Shoestar said:
why would you include Qore? isn't it basically a magazine? like would u include subscription to an Xbox fan magazine? And Qore has incentives of its own like giving invites for closed betas of upcoming games...

as well, why wouldn't you include or care about blu-ray? Didn't it actually win the format war? aren't all movies getting released in high def on blu-ray? If I had a blu-ray player, I would probably stop buying standard def movies all together.

It's really just typical kiddie talk... like when you don't have the toy of your friend, you say... "I never liked that toy anyway! it's crap!"... while you secretly envy it.

Squilliam -1

I have a PS3 remember - since I don't play Blu ray on it, then I guess I don't care for it right? xD Since im entitled to my own opinion on the worth of something...

 

 

 

If you buy a lamborghini diablo, and compare it to a ford falcon for example,  you might say well, I'm getting the engine on the diablo at $47,000 value while the new engine on the falcon are barely over $1600. Yet, you could say well, it's 1 engine compared to the other engine... If I had to drive from New york to san francisco, I could technically do it on both cars.

Yet, one is more pricey than the other. The difference is that the Diablo will top speeds of over 200 mph. You could say, "I never drive at such a speed", but that doesn't mean the diablo engine is worth $1600. 

It would be the same as blu-ray. However, you're not even in that position, you "DO" use blu-ray. Be it the added contents that come on the Ratchet and Clank games or the quality quantity of the content that come on your MGS4 disc that would elseway not be able to fit on one standard dvd. You could say that "oh well... I could just aswell have had the game on 4-5 dvds and I could still play it on my xbox" but, in a way, having the game on a blu-ray medium saves you from having to get up from your chair/sofa and changing the disc. Some people use windows and if you stuck them in front of a linux box they wouldn't care either way. It works just as well as a DVD9 for me so im not gonna give it any brownie points. 

Thus, you saying that you do not use 'blu-ray' is essentially untrue, as well as your claim that it has no value. Futhermore, you not 'caring' for blu-ray doesn't mean that it has no value either. But if you persist into using this arguement stating that it is your 'opinion' that it has no value, they you may just aswell have shot your whole case down as you are not presenting factual evidence as you so valliantly tried to portray in your title but merely... well just giberish... If I claim that blu ray has no value - then it has no value. Simple as that. I don't care for it. Furthermore I was asking someone else if they cared, I never said it was worthless to other people. "Do you care for blu ray" != Blu ray suxsorz so give it a rest please.

 

 



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Squilliam on 25 July 2008
Bokal said:
Why removing the controllers? Were they cheaper on PS3 in the end? too bad...

Also 500Gb HD for PS3 are available for 144€ (225$ VAT). And as someone said before, 1 Terabyte is just around the corner.

I can assume that anyone who thinks that they need a 0.5TB HDD isn't looking at an Xbox360...

Well still working out what information I need. I'll probably readd them in a different format.

 



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Bokal on 25 July 2008
Squilliam said:
Bokal said:
Why removing the controllers? Were they cheaper on PS3 in the end? too bad...

Also 500Gb HD for PS3 are available for 144€ (225$ VAT). And as someone said before, 1 Terabyte is just around the corner.

I can assume that anyone who thinks that they need a 0.5TB HDD isn't looking at an Xbox360...

Well still working out what information I need. I'll probably readd them in a different format.

 

I thought VOD was the future. I thought the 360 can play divx. I thought it can play music.

I can assume the PS3 is ready for the future. 360 isn't obviously.

 



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Geldorn on 25 July 2008

If you just want to play some games the Xbox 360 is cheaper (Arcade + games
If you add in the better Xbox 360 model and online fees this changes so over time the PS3 becomes the cheaper option.

But didn't we know that already anyway?

BTW, are there really 500GB 2.5 inch HDD's already? And here I thought my 250GB one was big :(

Bokal on 25 July 2008
Geldorn said:

If you just want to play some games the Xbox 360 is cheaper (Arcade + games < PS3 + games)

If you add in the better Xbox 360 model and online fees this changes so over time the PS3 becomes the cheaper option.

But didn't we know that already anyway?

BTW, are there really 500GB 2.5 inch HDD's already? And here I thought my 250GB one was big :(

 

Samsung and Hitachi do make 500GB 2.5inch HDD at least. I dunno about seagate and others.

Storage is growing fast, sony did well in allowing to change the hard drive.



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Squilliam on 25 July 2008

Updated layout...

Can someone write up a buyers guide? xD

Also still need a Live vs PSN content/online play comparison.



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Shoestar on 25 July 2008
Squilliam said:
Shoestar said:
Squilliam said:
Shoestar said:
why would you include Qore? isn't it basically a magazine? like would u include subscription to an Xbox fan magazine? And Qore has incentives of its own like giving invites for closed betas of upcoming games...

as well, why wouldn't you include or care about blu-ray? Didn't it actually win the format war? aren't all movies getting released in high def on blu-ray? If I had a blu-ray player, I would probably stop buying standard def movies all together.

It's really just typical kiddie talk... like when you don't have the toy of your friend, you say... "I never liked that toy anyway! it's crap!"... while you secretly envy it.

Squilliam -1

I have a PS3 remember - since I don't play Blu ray on it, then I guess I don't care for it right? xD Since im entitled to my own opinion on the worth of something...

 

 

 

If you buy a lamborghini diablo, and compare it to a ford falcon for example,  you might say well, I'm getting the engine on the diablo at $47,000 value while the new engine on the falcon are barely over $1600. Yet, you could say well, it's 1 engine compared to the other engine... If I had to drive from New york to san francisco, I could technically do it on both cars.

Yet, one is more pricey than the other. The difference is that the Diablo will top speeds of over 200 mph. You could say, "I never drive at such a speed", but that doesn't mean the diablo engine is worth $1600. 

It would be the same as blu-ray. However, you're not even in that position, you "DO" use blu-ray. Be it the added contents that come on the Ratchet and Clank games or the quality (quantity : It doesn't take a genius to understand that when you watch high definition animation and get higher definition Audio content, it's rated as QUALITY rather than quantity. Again, you're opinion doesn't translate to facts.) of the content that come on your MGS4 disc that would elseway not be able to fit on one standard dvd. You could say that "oh well... I could just aswell have had the game on 4-5 dvds and I could still play it on my xbox" but, in a way, having the game on a blu-ray medium saves you from having to get up from your chair/sofa and changing the disc. Some people use windows and if you stuck them in front of a linux box they wouldn't care either way. It works just as well as a* DVD9 for me so im not gonna give it any brownie points. 

Thus, you saying that you do not use 'blu-ray' is essentially untrue, as well as your claim that it has no value. Futhermore, you not 'caring' for blu-ray doesn't mean that it has no value either. But if you persist into using this arguement stating that it is your 'opinion' that it has no value, they you may just aswell have shot your whole case down as you are not presenting factual evidence as you so valliantly tried to portray in your title but merely... well just giberish... If I claim that blu ray has no value - then it has no value. Simple as that. I don't care for it. Furthermore I was asking someone else if they cared, I never said it was worthless to other people. "Do you care for blu ray" != Blu ray suxsorz so give it a rest please.**

 

 

 

* A DVD9 in case you didn't know is a dual layer dvd containing 8.5gb of space as opposed to 25 gb from a SINGLE layered BR-D. So no, a single layer blu-ray disc is definitely NOT the same thing as a DVD9.

 

** Then your title, "Les agree on standardised pricing and feature sets for a PS3/360 comparisons" is erroneous as it neither accurately depicts your arguements nor does it set any foundations where an agreement can be set. It is more like... "Lets me agree on what I think is a standard pricing and what I deem are worth while features I wish to use to justify that an X-Box 360 is worth more than a Play station 3."

 

Note:- at least some of the many untrue arguements u initially posted has been fixed but it is still far from an unbiassed comparison of an XBox and a PS3. Eg, noting that VoD service requires no monthly fee aswell as the fact that the minimum price for XBox HDDs are not listed which last time I checked was $179 for a 120gb hd. (of course, if there were pricedrops... then so much the better for Xbox users but still they were not listed)

 



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Torillian on 25 July 2008

User's experience of the PS3

great things:

  • I love the PSN games, the uniqueness and fun for so little money is really appreciated
  • Most of the exclusive games I have played have been well worth the wait (and there was a hell of a lot of waiting for some.)
  • I really love the ability to charge your controller using solely a min USB, some may think it's better to have batteries that you can switch out faster, but once you have more than one controller it's no question that rechargeable is fantastic
  • Honestly I just love the look of the thing.....goes wonderfully next to my TV.
  • Love editing the background of my XMB to games I'm looking forward to and using different themes to change the buttons, adds a nice personal touch to my PS3.
  • not paying for PSN is a definite plus for me, I have enough monthly charges as is.

Intermediate things:

  • The ability to play blurays has absolutely no affect on me whatsoever, and I have yet to see it truly be necessary in a game as of yet.  So so far I could live without it.
  • I enjoy the multiplat games I have bought, but some of them have been some saddenly poor ports (skate).  This problem seems to be alleviated with the most recent multiplat games I've seen, so I'm willing to forgive the earlier issues

Things that suck like a toothless lithuanian prostitute

  • Why in the world does the controller randomly cut out for 5 seconds or so?  It drives me crazy sometimes and I hate it oh so very much
  • what is Sony Japan doing?  As a Sony fan they are really dissapointing me with their seeming lack of doing....well anything.  C'mon Sony Japan....give me some JRPG's damn it
  • why does it cost 3 dollars to rent Xam'd episodes?  that's just aweful, and apparently I'm missing out on some pretty good anime, damn your pricing Sony.

Overall:

All in all it's been quite a journey as a Sony fan.  I certainly did not expect Sony to falter on this generation after the last two, and the sales of the PS3 have definitely been dissapointing at points.  There have been extremely slow seaons for gaming where it was hard to find anything to play, but that has definitely picked up for the last year or so.  The lack of JRPG's has been disturbing and wholly unexpected, which I will hopefully get some alleviation from come late August.  With all these things said though, I have never regretted my purchase of the PS3.  I've had alot of fun with it, and it is my most played console by far (I also own a wii).  Playing online games has been alot of fun, and exclusives like Uncharted and MGS4 have knocked my socks off.  The generation certainly hasn't gone as I assumed it would back in the PS2 days, but I'm still happy with how things actually turned out, even if it's not ideal.



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Squilliam on 25 July 2008

@ Torillian - Awesome! xD



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Squilliam on 26 July 2008

Ok - Added Wii to the comparison. Now we have all the consoles in place. Still only half done.



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