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Impulsivity made his point, he isn't making false assumptions all mentioned are facts.

@Gnizmo , you haven't seen the profit they made on each one?
no, i just said too much for what its offers,
250$ vs 400$, taking all feature not just gamming, you see there is a big difference in what both offers.

yes wii is selling but thats not the point, we are talking about price vs features here.
sony point was they offer much more than just the gaming, hell they can strip the ps3 and sell it like a home theather.



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sc94597 said:
Lol can't get any worse than that could it?

 

Actually, yeah it could. He could say:

"PS3 is not a game machine. It is clearly a computer."

OR

"RIDGE RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACER! Remember that one?"

OR

"Giant Enemy Crab."

OR

"This controller is very intuitive and I'm glad Sony is implementing this with the PS3. It's just so innovative."

All from E3 2006

 



Impulsivity said:
Why do people always use sales as if it justifies any point? If you combine NSync, the Backstreet Boys, New Kids on the Block, Brittany Spears and Madonna you start closing in on a billion albums sold, but does that make those albums anywhere near the best music has to offer? Yes 25 million bought the Wii, helped no doubt by the fact it costs less because of its use of old hardware (though still costs a lot more then its worth) but that doesn't make it superior in performance, feature set, games, or anything else.

Also that they make a bunch of money on every Wii sold SHOWS that its not a great value though several have used that as evidence that it is somehow a good value. If a system makes money from the start it's because it is using outdated hardware. The PS3 is a great value for gamers (even if a bad one for Sony) which is why it loses money initially just as the PS2 did.

As to other points Saviorx I have no idea what you're getting at. To say 480p is plenty just exposes that you are either A) really young and have no say in purchasing decisions B) not at all a videophile and don't care how a game looks/sounds or c)Not of means so you can't purchase a decent system even if you want one so try to make it sound like not purchasing an HDTV is the best choice. Regardless of which it is I can assure you, a large TV with high resolution makes the Wii look very poor especially compared with PS3 or even 360 games. The PS2 was blessed with slow adoption of HDTVs during its heyday, a 480p console on a modern large TV is an ugly ugly sight.

Yep. You have absolutely no concept of what value actually is.

Why would people buy the Wii if the PS3 had so much more value to them? Are they insane?



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Can we seriously end this dumb trollfest, some us us think the Sony Guy is an idiot....fine, some of think the wii sucks....fine....lets all get over it.



ZenfoldorVGI said:
So, in bizarro world, the PS3 is mainstream and cheap, while the Wii is expensive and niche.

Also, Superman is black, and walks on his hands.

I know I didn't say it first, so all I can hope is that I said it best.

   First off niche means a special area of demand for a product or service, has nothing to do with demand which I'll get to.

    Value and cost are NOT the same.  If you pay 30 dollars for a pet rock and 300 dollars for a dog you might contend that the rock is the better value.  It is not, it just costs less.  If you go to a website and design a computer do you look at straight cost and get the cheapest thing you can?  Do you put in 512MB of Ram, a 7 year old pentium processor and install Windows 95 on it?  Or do you look for a combination of low price and high performance that ends with, say, a 1000 dollar computer that does a lot of things and uses components that are reasonably priced?   On its face the 300 dollar computer with the small specs is a better value, but it isn't, it just costs less which is different.

 

   Similarly the Wii has around 33% of the PS3's capabilities and yet costs around 70% of the PS3's price.  That is a better cost but a bad value.   The PS3 on the other hand, if a blu ray player alone, would cost 300+ dollars.  It has many more features then that all of which are expensive on their own (media hub, network hard drive, game system ect) and yet costs very little relative to the value it presents, the opposite of the Wii charging 250 dollars for very limited functionality.

   As to "mainstream" and "Niche" those do not only refer to popularity but also to functionaliry.  If you have something that is popular but only useful in limited situations it is still niche.  Lets say the Ipod never expanded to things like the iphone and touch, it was niche in its original incarnation despite being popular.  All it did at first was play music and so had very limited function.  To produce a 2003 ipod and charge 250 dollars would be madness, for the same 200 dollars you can get an ipod with vastly more features that also makes calls, uses 3rd party software and many more things.  The iphone is a wide spectrum device, it can do many things out of the box, the old ipod is niche, it has very limited uses out of the box even if it does those limited things well and sells a lot.  It has moved beyond its music playing "niche"

 

    Similarly the Wii is niche in that it is almost entirely limited to playing highly casual games with poor graphics desired by "casual" gamers.  It has no features other then playing those games, it is not very expandable, it won't ever be a DVR, media hub, blu ray player....anything other then a simple, niche, gaming device.  Alternately the PS3 is becoming a wide spectrum device more like the iphone.  You can install software, play blu ray discs, use it as a media hub, beam things (games, movies, music) to your PSP wherever it is over wifi ect.  It is aiming to be more then a simple toy, and is succeeding.  The Wii on the other hand only WANTS to be a toy, hence the idea that the PS3 and Wii are not direct competitors.




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Skeeuk said:

thers no comparison between a wii and ps3, or even a 360 for that matter,

both HD consoles tower above the wii in gaming

unless you are a child/family/minigame gamer.

 

Skeeuk: I'm pretty sure you have been warned before, but because it's so close to e3 you get one more chance.

Impulsivity: you're warned as well.

STOP TROLLING

Next one misses e3 completely and you don't want that.



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amp316 said:
I'm back from my 15 minute Mario Kart session. That's how long I play my Wii games.

 

   Join the club on that one, except unlike you I'm serious.




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joseph21 said:
Impulsivity made his point, he isn't making false assumptions all mentioned are facts.

@Gnizmo , you haven't seen the profit they made on each one?
no, i just said too much for what its offers,
250$ vs 400$, taking all feature not just gamming, you see there is a big difference in what both offers.

yes wii is selling but thats not the point, we are talking about price vs features here.
sony point was they offer much more than just the gaming, hell they can strip the ps3 and sell it like a home theather.

 Impulsivity is straying so far away from posting just facts that I am convinced he is doing this as an elaborate joke.

I have seen it. They make around $80 for every Wii sold in America, and that number was from a while ago so it is likely much higher now. It is also sold-out across most of the country. When talking about whether or not something is over-priced it is entirely relevant to bring up sales. If the majority do not feel your good or service is worth the price you offer it at they will not purchase said good or service.

Price versus features is a meaningless debate. Mini-game collections give you the most games for your dollar. Does that make a game with only one style of gameplay over-priced? Of course not. The more a product does the less well it does any individual task. This is one of the basic principles of engineering. That is not to say that a device dedicated to a single feature will be automatically better than one that does more. It does mean that if you trim out the extra your product will be better most of the time. A PS3 without all the extra features would have sold far far more since it would not have had such an astronomical price tag associated with it.

Simple question for those that think the multiple features makes the PS3 automatically better than the Wii. Do you own a DVD player, or a DVD and VHS combo player? The DVD + VHS player is clearly the superior product as it offers more features than a regular DVD player. I am willing to bet you own (or owned) a simple DVD player because the extra features were not worth the cost thus making the combo drive the over priced one.



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