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Esmoreit on 30 June 2008

I like a football analogy here. The UEFA football championships ended yesterday, with Spain as a deserved winner over Germany. Why? The Spainards where a joy to watch. They continued to attack even when they had a 1-0 lead - where other coaches (like Germany had shown) will immidiatly go into defense the moment thay are in the lead.

Other example: Greece. They won the championship four years ago with boring-ass football. Constant defense, and hoping for one lucky shot, which they usually got off. They where booed off the stage this year and lost all of their matches, also to much delight of the press.

Fans and press revered teams that showed constant innovation and an attacking style (Like Spain, the Netherlands, Russia, Turkey etc) while annialating the "old style" of defense, 4-4-2 system style play etc and it payed off.

Nintendo is in the same league. They dared to show something new. They made themselves fun to watch/play with and thus got revered by press and public. And hopefully, like Spain it will pay back ten-fold. (Ironicly, past Euro's Spain didn't even survive the first stages of the tournament)



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Tigawoods on 30 June 2008
Timmah! said:
Tigawoods said:

1. I'm not so sure about Nintendo "deserving" the top spot. The fact is, Nintendo made the right product at the right time and now they are on cruise control to win this generation. Nintendo has earned their top spot.

2. The one major flaw I have with the Wii was the lack of a dvd player. Not that I needed one as I own all 3 consoles this gen but it somewhat surprised me as I would have thought that they would have included one. A lot of friends/co workers were slightly disappointed by the lack of one. 3. Im not a huge fan of the big games on Wii as a lot of them are just more of the same (Zelda, SSBB) but thats just my opinion and it's to be taken with a grain of salt :) What I love about the Wii is playing the old, old games like Super Mario Bros 3 etc etc. Thats what sold the system to me.

4. All in all though I firmly believe gaming is headed toward the HD direction. While both the PS3 and 360 have made mistakes (RROD 600$ price tag o.O) on trying to gain a larger foothold in the market, both MS and Sony showed us, the consumers, what next-gen hardware is all about. Until the HD format becomes more and more universal the Wii will continue to outsell its competitors and produce quality software. Oddly enough the next round of consoles to be released has me a bit fearful for Nintendo. HD will be fairly common to say the least and it will be interesting to see what direction the Nintendo will take. Until then gratz to the Wii and Nintendo :)

 

1. According to the dictionary Deserve and Earn are synonyms, so they pretty much mean almost the same thing.

2. Why would this bother you if you don't even need the functionality???? Who in the world that is purchasing a Wii DOES NOT already own a DVD player. The funny thing is, you have actually proven why Wii did not NEED a DVD player with your post.

3. I don't see them being 'more of the same' as a problem. For example, Halo 3 (or any other sequel) is going to be 'more of the same'. If the original was great, this is not a bad thing. And Mario's gameplay was hardly 'more of the same'. The gravity aspect totally transformed the gameplay as far as I'm concerned. I at least partially agree with you. VC totally sold me, but the new Nintendo games also sold me as they are some of the greatest franchises in gaming history.

4. I think it's pretty much a no-brainer that Nintendo will continue with 'Fun' gaming, while still appealing to the core crowd (as they have been doing), and will pretty much have to adopt HD.

 

 1. In my book "deserve" is more judgemental and it implies that someone just said "Hey lets give Nintendo the top spot this gen," which is certainly not the case.

2. Not everyone owns a dvd player or another console. Sorry to say it but it is true. The dvd player is not needed it just would be nice for the average consumer. My situation concerning what I own is irrelevant. Im just speaking for the average consumer.  My GF bought a Wii but unfortunatly around the same time her PS2 slim went haywire and wouldn't play dvds. Not everyone is swimming in money especially the way the U.S economy is. (if you are in the US)

3. I didn't mention Mario Galaxy now did I? And it's matter of opinion. Don't call out a post on someone's opinion especially when I state it right in front of you. The games are all about opinion and I was just giving my take. Besides Gamespot would agree with me on the Zelda take. Don't get me wrong it was a good game just, again more of the same.

4. I certainly hope so though I hope the devs can be as innovative in some of their titles as Nintendo was with their system. But you are right. Mario has always delivered and I hope it continues to do so. Im still not sold if Nintendo will be as successful next gen. Online has never been Nintendo's thing and they've obviously done well without it. They may need to make if better than it is now with MS and Sony seeing success. Not saying it needs to be that big but I would like to play more games on the Wii online. Also im not sure the casual consumer will be willing to buy another console since I think Nintendo has not so much stolen gamers from MS and Sony, but rather made new ones.



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PhatLaosBoi on 30 June 2008

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Renar on 30 June 2008

Nintendo "deserves/earned" the top spot not for their innovation of the controller and what it can do. No, it is because of the new gamers crowd that they brought in.

Parents see the PS3/360/Wii on a shelf, and asks:

"Which one will my 2 daughters like?"
"Which one will stimulate their minds and keep them moving about?"
"Which one will the family as a whole like the best?"

After being told which one, imagine the parents' surprise when they are told it is not as expensive as the other ones as well.



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Onimusha12 on 01 July 2008
Renar said:
Nintendo "deserves/earned" the top spot not for their innovation of the controller and what it can do. No, it is because of the new gamers crowd that they brought in.

Parents see the PS3/360/Wii on a shelf, and asks:

"Which one will my 2 daughters like?"
"Which one will stimulate their minds and keep them moving about?"
"Which one will the family as a whole like the best?"

After being told which one, imagine the parents' surprise when they are told it is not as expensive as the other ones as well.

 

 And this in a nutshell is how Nintendo has been able to outmanuver both Sony and MS while relegating the Third Party Developers to near obscurity all of whom are focusing on an ever narrowing demographic.

While the rest of the industry is trying to streamline and condense gaming in hopes of creating a formulated system like that of our cinematic motion picture industry, Nintendo has actually courted, not so much innovation, but imagination in the consumer. Nintendo is reminding regular people why they bought a NES back in the 80s. The Wii and DS are a knock out punch and the industry is livid with anger and contempt for this company that they see as not only refusing to play ball but erroding the clought third party developers feel they have with companies like Microsoft and Sony.

Who knows how things are going to turn out, all we know is the that Nintendo is going to win and will keep winning for generations to come. Will that mean core gamers like us win too? Who knows...



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Retrasado on 01 July 2008
Onimusha12 said:
Renar said:
Nintendo "deserves/earned" the top spot not for their innovation of the controller and what it can do. No, it is because of the new gamers crowd that they brought in.

Parents see the PS3/360/Wii on a shelf, and asks:

"Which one will my 2 daughters like?"
"Which one will stimulate their minds and keep them moving about?"
"Which one will the family as a whole like the best?"

After being told which one, imagine the parents' surprise when they are told it is not as expensive as the other ones as well.

 

 And this in a nutshell is how Nintendo has been able to outmanuver both Sony and MS while relegating the Third Party Developers to near obscurity all of whom are focusing on an ever narrowing demographic.

While the rest of the industry is trying to streamline and condense gaming in hopes of creating a formulated system like that of our cinematic motion picture industry, Nintendo has actually courted, not so much innovation, but imagination in the consumer. Nintendo is reminding regular people why they bought a NES back in the 80s. The Wii and DS are a knock out punch and the industry is livid with anger and contempt for this company that they see as not only refusing to play ball but erroding the clought third party developers feel they have with companies like Microsoft and Sony.

Who knows how things are going to turn out, all we know is the that Nintendo is going to win and will keep winning for generations to come. Will that mean core gamers like us win too? Who knows...

 

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Did you just come up with that off the top of your head? If so, apply to work at Nintendo marketing.

OT: Yeah. Nintendo got it right this time around. They deserve their win.

 

 

 

 

 



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bouzane on 01 July 2008

I never understood why people think that Nintendo should be entitled to first place in the console wars. No company deserves to have success handed to them, especially one that once used anti-competitive practices and resisted the implementation of online and disc based gaming. I'm not saying that they don't deserve to be in the business but people seem to forget that Nintendo is just another corporation, not something to be blindly praising.



megaman79 on 02 July 2008

Not another corporation. If it was, the Wii and DS would not be cleaning the competetion up so easily, and nor would they be increasing market share, audience accessability and sales. Sony makes Tv's and MS make software, they do not, and never will exclusively devote all their time and efforts to making video games. Nintendo will always do this and as for anti competitive behaviour, didn't sony steal something at some point and Microsoft, with their fair corporate ethics. Bill Gates worth = 58 billion $$$



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