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JSF on 14 June 2007

 

NJ5 said:
JSF said:
You fanboys are simply impossible to converse with. Even when I'm criticizing Sony, you guys still think it's praise or something. If the PS3 is not a good value for what you get, the 360 is even worse because it costs even more.

Where did I say or imply you were praising the PS3? You can read my comment as a strengthening of yours too.


 When you decided my criticism of Sony needed some fanboyism.

 I think your comment is childish.  I don't need your help. 

 



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Roondar on 14 June 2007

There is no doubt in my eyes:

The PS3 is one smooth device. It's all kinds of cool.
It's also too expensive. Not so cool.

Heck, if it where cheaper I'd probably allready own one, even with the current games out.



NJ5 on 14 June 2007
JSF said:

 

NJ5 said:
JSF said:
You fanboys are simply impossible to converse with. Even when I'm criticizing Sony, you guys still think it's praise or something. If the PS3 is not a good value for what you get, the 360 is even worse because it costs even more.

Where did I say or imply you were praising the PS3? You can read my comment as a strengthening of yours too.


When you decided my criticism of Sony needed some fanboyism.

I think your comment is childish. I don't need your help.

 


My post was a simple and direct (even if hyperbolic) way of saying that "a good value" doesn't convert directly into sales. If you think that's fanboyism, your logical capabilities are obviously lacking. And if anything, it would be anti-fanboyism because I wasn't praising (or even referring to) any other console than the PS3.



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JSF on 14 June 2007

It came across as a blatant anti-Sony statement to me. It didn't seem to address anything I wrote at all...is Sony's marketing any good?, etc....so I don't know why you quoted me in your reply. If you just want to blast the PS3 because you take pleasure in it and think my post presents another opportunity for you to do so, please go about it on your own.

 



NJ5 on 14 June 2007
JSF said:

It came across as a blatant anti-Sony statement to me. It didn't seem to address anything I wrote at all...is Sony's marketing any good?, etc....so I don't know why you quoted me in your reply. If you just want to blast the PS3 because you take pleasure in it and think my post presents another opportunity for you to do so, please go about it on your own.

 


You seem to have a problem understanding indirect arguments, but you don't have a problem being cocky when people quote you.

So let me spell it out for you . No matter how good Sony marketing is, that can't change the fact that people currently have no use for most of PS3's functionality, therefore they won't pay its hefty price. Happy now?



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Gballzack on 14 June 2007
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Ok who is predicting this? If anything people are predicting very low for the PS3 cause of sales so far...


 


It seems you're an exaggerator as well :)


Cklmb, I'm not sure what your native language is, but in english its quite comon to use hyperbole to make a point. If the person's exaggeration is obviously an exaggeration without the guise of being anything else (i.e. literal fact to be taken literally), then there's really no foul in that. It's really not fair to expect people to be 100% literal in all their semantics when the context of debate doesn't necessitate it. I'm not sure anyone but you honestly thought the literal intended purpose of his comment was to suggest that video game consoles have been in existence since 1000 BC. You're just attacking semantics and grammar out of context and outside of necessity. Knock it off and try being polite, no one likes a rude person. :)


How was I attacking him? I was gesting that he is an exaggerator as well...

Chill out.


She said you were attacking "semantics and grammar".


 I wasn't attacking anything language related I wasn't even attacking anything I was makinga joke....

And my native language is English, it's crazy isn't it? Since I speak it so horribly apparently. 


You don't speak it horribly at all, I was just wondering how well you understood other people's usage of it. But if you were in fact joking and not holding his words against them then it appears I mistook your intent and owe you an appology. Sorry about that. :)



omgwtfbbq on 14 June 2007
Gballzack said:
 

You don't speak it horribly at all, I was just wondering how well you understood other people's usage of it. But if you were in fact joking and not holding his words against them then it appears I mistook your intent and owe you an appology. Sorry about that. :)

wow that's twice you apologised in one thread!

*jaw hits ground* 

 



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leo-j on 15 June 2007
JSF said:
Lingyis said:
JSF said:
I don't believe price is the issue. It's the marketing. They need to make it clear that it is not intended as just a gaming rig and that it is a full-blown entertainment center with high def video, media streaming, etc. All the PS3 commercials I've seen only show some demonstration of the games. What people want is value. This is often mistaken for price, but it's not the same. Honda Civics and Toyota Corollas are the top selling cars because of their value propositions, not because they're the lowest priced. Yes, there is a segment of people out there who are the most price-sensitive and will buy the Hyundai's and Kia's of the world. That's fine. These people will wait for price drops to buy.

price is exactly the amount people are willing to pay for whatever value they perceive of a product.  few people are willing for fork over $600 for games and just unproven media capabilities.  in order words, their perceived value of the PS3 is not anything close to $600.

price is at least 80% of why PS3 is having a poor start well, sometimes i read these articles i can't believe people are going over such minute technical details. 

wii is takes away sales, there's little PS3 can do about that.  with consoles there's an aggregation effect, and it's especially apparent in Japan.  in the US the PS3 has trouble gaining momentum against the 360.

sony does appear to have a better long term plan for the PS3 than Microsoft for the 360, but it's had such a bad start a lot of things need to go right.

 


The PS3 is obviously a good value.  The manufacturer is losing a few hundred bucks on each one, for pete's sake.  How often are you going to get to buy anything at significantly below 
the manufacturing costs?  If the "perceived" value does not reflect that, then, as I said, it is the 
fault of the marketing.  The marketing thus far has plain sucked.  PS3 commercials don't inform your average consumer that it is a very good Blu-Ray movie player, and it's fully integrated, which is a bonus.  They don't mention the DVD upscaling capabilities.  They don't mention the ability to display and print photos from memory cards.  They don't mention its ability to stream multimedia content from your PC or any DLNA serving device.  They don't mention the free online service.  Or what they can do with the free online service.  Or the built-in wireless.  Or the web browsing capability.  In short, Sony's marketing has done a terrible job educating the average consumer about the PS3's full capabilities.  Say whatever you want about whether you want some of these functions or not, but the fact is they *are* included and should be properly marketed and that to get the same functionality from any other system or PC would cost more than a PS3.  Obviously a price cut would help as well, but fixing the marketing message should come first.  Sh#t, if the marketing in the States isn't already bad, the marketing situation in Europe is even worse.  What the hell is that "This is Living" campaign?  It tells people absolutely nothing about the system.

By the way, about the original topic of this thread, if you actually want to see a big time PS3 critic who has done a 180 instead of whoever that guy is quoted in the opening post, see Adam Sessler after the Sony Gamers' Day.

http://www.g4tv.com/pile_player.aspx?video_key=16349


The only reasone why the ps3 is seling so bad is because of the price. If the ps3 were priced at 399.99 it would have kiked the wii's ass in sales(not being latargic in my language). Price is whats holding the console down. The truth is most people want a ps3, but they cant waste 600buks on it. The wii is selling becuz its nintendo and it has mario, but everybody that has a 360/ps2 would get a ps3 if it costs the same as the 360 does.



 

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your mother on 15 June 2007
leo-j said:
 

The only reasone why the ps3 is seling so bad is because of the price. If the ps3 were priced at 399.99 it would have kiked the wii's ass in sales(not being latargic in my language). Price is whats holding the console down. The truth is most people want a ps3, but they cant waste 600buks on it. The wii is selling becuz its nintendo and it has mario, but everybody that has a 360/ps2 would get a ps3 if it costs the same as the 360 does.

The moment I heard of the Wii's "waggle" I wanted it. Price was not the issue. It was the potentially new gaming experience and immersive interaction possibilities that I just *had* to try out. I've wanted this kind of features ever since I heard of the SEGA Activator.

I've wanted to buy both the PS3 and the Xbox360, but in the case of the 360 I have a hard time convincing myself of shelling out that kind of money for potential RRoD issues. Plus, the 360 is well-established in the public perception as a FPS console, and for that you simply can't beat a PC.

As for the PS3, I find it hard to justify spending that money for very few games that interest me now.

Therefore, instead of plonking down over 1000$ for both consoles, I plonked down over 2000$ for a brand-new PC. Price is not the issue for me personally. About every cent I make goes into gaming some way or another, but I just don't find either console compelling enough to spend money on, not because I can't afford it, but because I think I get more than my gaming's worth with a Wii and a PC - for now.

Once those quirky games come out for both consoles (and the 360's reliability issues/gossip/whatever are quelled), I will reconsider. Katamari is already swaying me in that direction.

That's what made the PS2 so great: Games like Mr Mosquito, BeatMania, DrumMania, DDR are unique game experiences that don't translate well on a PC, but fit the living room perfectly. I don't need more Halos or Hazes when you can get much deeper/compelling games on the PC with arguably the same, if not better, graphics and a more precise control mechanism with the keyboard/mouse combo. 



z64dan on 15 June 2007

I think the conclusion here is, if you get something for free, it was totally worth it.