It seems like you are talking about how influential and important each game is to its respective generation, yet you are comparing on how much better certain aspects of MGS4 over OoT. Your comparison is valid, but not if it's being put together with your main point, especially since you rarely mention anything that OoT did except a brief statement that "OoT was pretty influential in terms of 3D Action/Adventure/RPG."

However, if you ignore the year difference between the two, I would say that most likely MGS4 is going to win. A game is built on what has previously been done, after all, and OoT had to do something back then that might just be considered as the norm in present day.

And it should be obvious from my post that I haven't played either one of them.

Sorry, Ocarina of Time is the greatest, but I think Metal Gear Solid 4 is still a masterpiece.

Btw, the painting on your avatar is of Snake, right?

 first of all i didnt call you an idiot. i said DONT be an idiot, because i know youre not. i called you an ass because you were being an ass.. for what seemed like no reason.. but i would never go as far to tell you to go fuck yourself, so thats on you.

as for mario 3's story.. it gets trumped in every way by metal gear solid 4. but that wasnt what i was asking. see, if i posted that question, i could see why people would be getting irritated, because there really is no competition, everybody would agree that mario's storyline cant compare to metal gear's. if you read the entire thread, you will see that some people pick OoT, some people pick MGS4. i feel as if im posting a legitimate question because both of these games are the types of epic games that developers aspire to make to define a generation. and i do appreciate your comparison, i thought it was a good one.. in fact, it is the same way i feel.

I stopped reading at the part where you agree'd with the guy that said OoT didn't do much/anything new. Can you understand why I can't take such ludicrous comments (and as a result, this thread entirely) like that seriously?

Of course mgs4's story and atmosphere trumps all over Mario for the Nes. Like you said, I was being an ass. It's a rediculous comparison because it's a direct comparison, kind of like most people are doing with zelda and mgs. And you just can't do that. Does OoT gameplay holed up better today than MGS4? Even I'm not dumb enough to question that. (MM, however...)

I'm going to give the benefit of a doubt on the whole thing, because hindsight is 20/20, and backlash is a bitch, and not a couple of weeks ago people were actually defending the claim that "GTAIV IS TEH PERFECT!" I'm going to wait a couple of months before I believe this question can be honestly asked.

OoT did a lot.. but not much new. it just seemed new because it was in 3D. thats why A Link to the Past is my favorite Zelda. Its the one that laid the formula for what i think is the greatest game of all time.

ive already made my case for why zelda and metal gear can be compared, i guess its just not good enough for you. i do agree with you though about the last thing you said. this question probably should have waited another couple months. mgs is just too new. but i think thats the same reason that prompted me to ask it in the first place. i think it has a legitimate chance for dethroning ocarina of time, although i personally dont think it will.

well this is easy, if i play both MGS4 and OoT side by side

MGS4 wins hands down as the greatest over OoT, theres simply no match and i cant belive Oot fans still believe it to be the best

OoT will always be remembered as long as it stands on top of all the ratings. MSG4 will eventually be forgotten as 'just another epic game'. That does not essentially mean OoT 'is' better, but it has left a bigger impression.

Uh.. Can't we just love them both?

Why does every good Non-Nintendo game get compared to OOT? Just wondering out loud. They aren't even of the same genre guys. Why can't the argument be brought up about MGS4 being remembered as the best stealth game ever?