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starcraft on 12 June 2008
Lone_Canis_Lupus said:
 

Clearly you're a retard. You never maintained you were right. All you used was very flawed logic, but yet in the end you were right. Why do you think I said "Pot, meet kettle?" You're a hypocrite is what I'm saying. I'm saying you're going to use flawed logic everywhere else yet say he can't use flawed logic...because you're the only one who can. Oh no, we'll have to wait a couple of years to see if he's right! We had to wait months to see if you were right. Those months waiting to see if you were right could have been spent on something else.

This is the real world, things take time...even in the gaming world. The point of that post was to show you that you used flawed logic but turned out to be right, and that Tombi could turn out to be right. If you can make assumptions, everybody else can. He can assume that the PS3 and Wii might play catch up later on. Either concede and say you use flawed logic and could have been wrong then, or accept Tombi could be right.

But thats just it isn't it.  MY logic was never flawed.  It was essentially me and a few supporters versus a whole rack of you Sony guys.  Sony-fans were the only ones that said I was illogical.

My logic WAS right.  Don't you get that?  Don't you get why I gloated in that thread (which I acknowledged was a mistake and apologised for)?  Its because after being shot-down time and time again by you guys even though what I was saying was perfectly logical, it turned out I was completely right.

I made assumptions, but I backed them up with reasonable hypothesis of the future developments of this generation.  Clearly I was right to make those hypothesis.  But Tombi isn't making assumptions that are even remotely reasonable.  He may have been able to argue the Wii would get more, better JRPG's this generation, or even that the PS3 would be able to hold its own, but his exact words were "getting a 360 for JRPG's is very foolish."

One more thing.  I find the derogatory use of the word "retard" to be very offensive, and if you use it to describe me or anyone else again, I WILL report you. 

 



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bobobologna on 12 June 2008

I think when it's all said and done, every console will have it's fair share of RPGs. It won't be like the situation last generation, where JRPGs were almost nonexistent on the other 2 systems. And that's what's throwing a lot of people off. There won't be a JRPG system because each one is going to have a slice of the pie (and my guess is that those slices will be pretty even at the end of this gen). Whereas last generation, the PS2 was THE JRPG console.



Kasz216 on 12 June 2008
tombi123 said:
ToastyJaguar said:
tombi123 said:
rocketpig said:
1) This is a ridiculous conversation. No console will have the quantity nor quality of JRPGs that the 360 enjoys until 2010 at the earliest. Even after that point, it won't be the PS3. If any console passes the 360, it will be the Wii.

2) You go ahead and buy on potential, I'll continue to buy systems that have games I want to play now.

3) Then again, I shouldn't be surprised at this topic. Tombi never says anything positive about the 360. This thread reeks of jealousy.

1) The Wii will likely pass the 360 in quantity in 2009. The PS3 will probably pass it in quantity 6 months after the release of FFXIII at the latest. Quality is subjective, don't really want to comment on that.

2) I think people have misunderstood what I was trying to say, maybe I didn't explain it well enough. If you can only buy one console this generation (for financial reasons etc.) and your only interest is JRPG games, then is the 360 the right console for you? It clearly is now, but in a year or so you will probably be wishing you had bought a Wii (or if you're a massive FF fan like me, a PS3).

3) Well it just happens that the 360 doesn't really cater for my tastes as well as the PS3 or Wii. The only games that interest me on the 360 are Kameo and LO. Plus the failure rate is unacceptable for the amount of money a 360 cost. I expect that sort of reliability from a £10 MP3 player, not a £250 console.

 


I don't get this thread. You just sound to me like someone who hates the 360 and when you say you are an rpg fan, what you really mean is; you are a Final Fantasy fan.

 


This thread has nothing to do with me or my tastes. I don't think I have stated anywhere in this thread that I am an RPG fan and certainly not in the OP.


That might be your problem.  Despite Final Fantasy being the most possible RPG series in the world... it's far from the most popular RPG series among serious RPG fans.



Bitmap Frogs on 12 June 2008
Lone_Canis_Lupus said:
mysticD said:

Well it's still 8 more than what PS3 have at the moment.

And that total  will increase by next year.

Instead of being a troll if you want to play JRPG instead of getting all jealous and mad, why don't you just save up for a 360.  It's not that much and recent hardware revision prove the console is just as reliable as the PS3.

Or you can just continue to troll because for some reason it's MS fault that PS3 is not getting any JRPG.

 


 I'm not saying the 360 isn't the JRPG console this gen. Because if people want JRPGs, they should get a 360. But technically it is kind of MS's fault the PS3 isn't getting any JRPGs because of their moneyhatting. If MS has the bigger wallet and moneyhats all the JRPGs away, where does Sony have to go to? Granted it's SCEJ's fault too for just letting it happen.


Stop with the moneyhatting tinfoilhattery. All MS did to get SO4 was fund IU so tri-ace had all the tools built off MS budget. Which is exactly the same Sony is doing with Level5 and WKS. 

Remember BOTH namco (tales), tri-ace (SO4) and SE (TLR) have stated that a ps3 release is either happening or a possibility. Time-exclusivity deals include HARSH penalties for acknowledging any other platform release - didn't you hear enough of T2 denying PS3 Bioshock or Namco's taking down ES and AA6 ps3 versions off their website? If MS had moneyhatted these three games the publishers would be flat out denying a ps3 release, which they aren't.

What you are seeing is just the combination of expensive development, higher royalties, blue-ray format cost, bigger fanbase and more spendy habits of the X360 users. It wasn't that long ago (wish I had bookmarked the quote) that a dev stated developing on the ps3 eats around 100k sales on the overcosts compared to 360. You can only get away with that when your console is 100 million in userbase ahead.





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tombi123 on 12 June 2008

I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY, I NEVER TOLD ANYONE TO BUY A WII OR PS3 ON POTENTIAL. IF YOU CAN ONLY AFFORD ONE CONSOLE THIS GENERATION (WHY IS EVERYONE IGNORING THIS POINT) AND YOU LIKE JRPG'S, WAIT A LITTLE LONGER BEFORE RUSHING OUT AND BUYING A 360 RIGHT NOW.

If you can afford all 3 consoles, by all means buy a 360 now for JRPG's.

This is my assumption of how many JRPG's will be out for each console this generation:

Wii > PS3 > 360

This is pretty much all I was saying...



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bobobologna on 12 June 2008
Kasz216 said:
tombi123 said:
ToastyJaguar said:
tombi123 said:
rocketpig said:
1) This is a ridiculous conversation. No console will have the quantity nor quality of JRPGs that the 360 enjoys until 2010 at the earliest. Even after that point, it won't be the PS3. If any console passes the 360, it will be the Wii.

2) You go ahead and buy on potential, I'll continue to buy systems that have games I want to play now.

3) Then again, I shouldn't be surprised at this topic. Tombi never says anything positive about the 360. This thread reeks of jealousy.

1) The Wii will likely pass the 360 in quantity in 2009. The PS3 will probably pass it in quantity 6 months after the release of FFXIII at the latest. Quality is subjective, don't really want to comment on that.

2) I think people have misunderstood what I was trying to say, maybe I didn't explain it well enough. If you can only buy one console this generation (for financial reasons etc.) and your only interest is JRPG games, then is the 360 the right console for you? It clearly is now, but in a year or so you will probably be wishing you had bought a Wii (or if you're a massive FF fan like me, a PS3).

3) Well it just happens that the 360 doesn't really cater for my tastes as well as the PS3 or Wii. The only games that interest me on the 360 are Kameo and LO. Plus the failure rate is unacceptable for the amount of money a 360 cost. I expect that sort of reliability from a £10 MP3 player, not a £250 console.

 


I don't get this thread. You just sound to me like someone who hates the 360 and when you say you are an rpg fan, what you really mean is; you are a Final Fantasy fan.

 


This thread has nothing to do with me or my tastes. I don't think I have stated anywhere in this thread that I am an RPG fan and certainly not in the OP.


That might be your problem. Despite Final Fantasy being the most possible RPG series in the world... it's far from the most popular RPG series among serious RPG fans.


That statement is as sad as Halo haters saying Halo might be the most popular FPS, but far from being the most popular FPS amoung serious FPS fans (mostly PC fanboys).



Dno on 12 June 2008
mrstickball said:
..And Spectral Force 3
...And Kingdom Under Fire: Circle of Doom
....And Enchanted Arms
.....And Culdcept Saga
......And Operation: Darkness

Do you see where I'm going? Currently, the 360 has, or has coming to it (JRPG wise):

Enchanted Arms
Blue Dragon
Lost Odyssey
Eternal Sonata
CuldCept Saga
Tales of Verspria
Spectral Force 3
Operation: Darkness
Kingdom Under Fire
Star Ocean 4
Infinite Undiscovery
Cry On
Magna Carta 2

..Off of the top of my head. That's just JRPGs. That's just announced projects, and there are (I am sure) far more coming.

Will the 360 be the lead JRPG console this generation? It's up in the air. The PS3 surely doesn't have the firepower, or guts to go out there, and secure the games needed to be the dominant JRPG console. They do, however have the biggest ones at the moment.

The Wii, on the other hand, *should* be the lead RPG console. However, the number of planned RPGs, as far as I've seen isn't anywhere near the quality, or quantity of the 360 at the moment. I am sure the Wii *could* beat the 360 in terms of quality JRPGs. But lets face it: that will be atleast 2 years away. How can a console be the "Dominant JRPG console" if it's been around for 2 years and has yet to have one major outside JRPG come to the system?

So yes, for now, the 360 is both the leader in JRPGs (and obviously WRPGs)..And looks to be for another year or two. With that being said, why wouldn't you buy a 360? This isn't the NBA Draft where you choose based on an idea of potential. Microsoft could keep moneyhatting JRPGs 'till the cows come home, and never give the Wii or PS3 a snowballs chance for the JRPG race. Maybe they won't? But until we know (which is years away), why not actually play JRPGs NOW? Rather than TWO YEARS FROM NOW?

LOL that is always the 360 fanboy excuse... If you want something NOW 360 is the way to go. MOST of those game will be on ps3 and the best JRPG ff13 and ff13 vs are ONLY on ps3. and right NOW most of those games suck or are not out yet. if you want the best RPG system..... i really dont no who to go with lol. Wii WILL lead in the future tho so who knows yet. i do no that 360 will not have the best or the most when all is said and done.



rocketpig on 12 June 2008
Lone_Canis_Lupus said:
starcraft said:
Lone_Canis_Lupus said:
 

o.O Did you not see the point of that post?

Clearly I must have missed it. All I saw was you bringing up a thread where I maintained I was right and TURNED OUT TO BE RIGHT next to Tombi's thread where everyone has attacked him over unneccessary trolling. They say 360 fans lost their cool after the GTAIV IGN review, and its clear June 10 rattled Tombi's head.

The only possibility I can think of is that you think we should sit around for the 2-3 years necessary to find out whether Tombi is right or not............?

 


Clearly you're a retard. You never maintained you were right. All you used was very flawed logic, but yet in the end you were right. Why do you think I said "Pot, meet kettle?" You're a hypocrite is what I'm saying. I'm saying you're going to use flawed logic everywhere else yet say he can't use flawed logic...because you're the only one who can. Oh no, we'll have to wait a couple of years to see if he's right! We had to wait months to see if you were right. Those months waiting to see if you were right could have been spent on something else.

This is the real world, things take time...even in the gaming world. The point of that post was to show you that you used flawed logic but turned out to be right, and that Tombi could turn out to be right. If you can make assumptions, everybody else can. He can assume that the PS3 and Wii might play catch up later on. Either concede and say you use flawed logic and could have been wrong then, or accept Tombi could be right.


Completely unnecessary. If you can't argue in a civilized fashion, leave the thread.




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starcraft on 12 June 2008
tombi123 said:
 

Those are my key assumptions. Thank you for actually answering the thread properly instead of shouting fanboy.

I disagree slightly with the problems you stated though.

1) So a JRPG takes 18 months to develop. But they are not 18 months away. It has been clear that the Wii will have the biggest user base in Japan for at least the last 9 months. I would think that there will be a massive amount of JRPG's announced for the Wii at E3 08 or TGS 08, for release this christmas or early next year.

2) If by SRPG bombing you mean Disgaea 3, it has already sold roughly 70% of Disgaea 2 lifetime sales. I don't think the developers would of expected much better than that. The other SRPG, Valkyria Chronicles has already outsold Disgaea 3, so can be considered a success for a SRPG.

My point was that if I was a JRPG developer, developing a JRPG for the PS3, I would look to release it a couple of months after FFXIII. Because FFXIII will bring a lot of JRPG fans to the PS3. I wouldn't have started development of the JRPG already.

3) If I had enough money I would buy a 360. But I only have enough money for the Wii and PS3. I chose the Wii and PS3 over the 360 because they have a lot more games coming out this generation to my tastes. I think somebody who can't afford all three consoles has to look at what is out now and what is coming out in the future, not just at what is out now.

By the way, I don't think the JRPG situation and the end of the generation will be:

Wii>>PS3>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>360

More like:

Wii>>>PS3>360

But even that is very unreasonable.  Right now, all the JRPG's being made are either for the Wii, moneyhatted PS3 or 360 exclusives, or PS3 games (read FFXIII) that were too far down the production line to change when the PS3 stalled. 

I doubt there is a single high-budget JRPG in production for one of the HD consoles that doesn't fit one of those criteria.  IF FF makes the PS3 take off, THEN some JRPG developers might produce games for the PS3, they are not just going to have them ready to go one or two months after FF releases, because the way the PS3 has been lately, its too big a risk.

But even if we DID assume there are a number of high-budget titles in development we haven't heard about, I doubt they would remain exclusive because the Xbox 360 has shown its Western sales can be more than enough to justify a JRPG port, and Microsoft has shown an INCREDIBLE willingness to moneyhat.

I fully understand many people can't afford to buy more than one console.  But thats why I'm waiting for Versus (or closer to Versus) before I buy a PS3.  Its not worth buying now when two more price cuts could come and/or MS could moneyhat Versus to the 360.  The fact is we KNOW the 360 will have at least 10 awesome JRPG's this generation (not including ANYTHING not announced yet, and not including ANY sequels to BD and LO that we know are being made).  With the PS3, all we KNOW about of any note are FFXIII, Versus and WKS.  Everything else, is a guess.  Counselling people to buy a PS3 over a 360 for JRPG's is very irresponsible given the current climate. 

 



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Kasz216 on 12 June 2008
tombi123 said:
rocketpig said:
tombi123 said:

This thread has nothing to do with me or my tastes. I don't think I have stated anywhere in this thread that I am an RPG fan and certainly not in the OP.


Then why did you start this thread?

Oh, that's right, to tell people to not buy a system you don't like for games of a genre you never claimed to be a fan of.

*sigh*


Look at the title of this thread. Loads of people claim that the 360 will be the JRPG console this generation. I don't believe that statement is true at all. I think the Wii will be JRPG console this generation. Afterall, it sells by far the best in Japan.

All I wanted to know was why people keep saying that the 360 will be JRPG console this genration (as in not now, but the whole generation).

 


 360 loves to buy RPGs though... and any big budget JPG is going to be better on the 360.

360 will likely have enough high quality and mid level along with low level RPGs to match the Wii's who will probably have less high quality but more mid quality ones.

In the end it'll probably be  a wash, and i'd give the edge to 360 since RPG players have games they can play now.