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shavenferret said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Then I was right and AI is going to destroy us all. Thanks for nothing, Altman. I hope Altman and those other rich AI slobs die for dooming the world.

And everyone here who advocates for AI, I hope you're happy with speeding up our extinction.

I still think that humans running out of fossil fuels will reduce our tech to much lower levels than it stands as of now. What will happen when gasoline becomes super expensive? Well move to ev batteries? And when those metals become super expensive and people don’t want to buy ev cars anymore? Humanity is at or close to its peak right now.

Am I a doomed? lol

Nice to know you're not taking this seriously. 🤌 

For the record, gas IS super expensive now, because the ultimate failed abortion is blowing up Iran to distract from the Epstein files.



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CaptainExplosion said:
shavenferret said:

I still think that humans running out of fossil fuels will reduce our tech to much lower levels than it stands as of now. What will happen when gasoline becomes super expensive? Well move to ev batteries? And when those metals become super expensive and people don’t want to buy ev cars anymore? Humanity is at or close to its peak right now.

Am I a doomed? lol

Nice to know you're not taking this seriously. 🤌 

For the record, gas IS super expensive now, because the ultimate failed abortion is blowing up Iran to distract from the Epstein files.

But it gets more expensive every year at a much higher rate than inflation. That has to be hurting economic growth.  Secondly, while humanity’s expansion will no doubt leave some ugly spots on the earth after things slow down, the climate should go back to normal since plants eat carbon dioxide. 



shavenferret said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Nice to know you're not taking this seriously. 🤌 

For the record, gas IS super expensive now, because the ultimate failed abortion is blowing up Iran to distract from the Epstein files.

But it gets more expensive every year at a much higher rate than inflation. That has to be hurting economic growth.  Secondly, while humanity’s expansion will no doubt leave some ugly spots on the earth after things slow down, the climate should go back to normal since plants eat carbon dioxide. 

You mean humanity's extinction, which is coming very soon thanks to AI destroying our fresh air and stealing our drinking water.



CaptainExplosion said:
shavenferret said:

But it gets more expensive every year at a much higher rate than inflation. That has to be hurting economic growth.  Secondly, while humanity’s expansion will no doubt leave some ugly spots on the earth after things slow down, the climate should go back to normal since plants eat carbon dioxide. 

You mean humanity's extinction, which is coming very soon thanks to AI destroying our fresh air and stealing our drinking water.

I see what you’re saying but AI will never be huge part of any nation’s electrical demand.  What about people’s homes and refrigeration/hvac? Just bc AI is a growth industry right now, doesn’t mean that it should keep growing at huge rates forever. The balloon will burst as they say and the hype will die. 


You have some really extreme opinions, perhaps try to moderate them a bit so that you can be more confident in their strength. 



shavenferret said:
CaptainExplosion said:

You mean humanity's extinction, which is coming very soon thanks to AI destroying our fresh air and stealing our drinking water.

I see what you’re saying but AI will never be huge part of any nation’s electrical demand.  What about people’s homes and refrigeration/hvac? Just bc AI is a growth industry right now, doesn’t mean that it should keep growing at huge rates forever. The balloon will burst as they say and the hype will die. 


You have some really extreme opinions, perhaps try to moderate them a bit so that you can be more confident in their strength. 

I tried that before, and didn't get anywhere. If extreme opinions will save the world from AI data centres then so be it. If people were to blow up every AI data center then I would support them. Nonviolent resistance doesn't work anymore.



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shavenferret said:
CaptainExplosion said:

Nice to know you're not taking this seriously. 🤌 

For the record, gas IS super expensive now, because the ultimate failed abortion is blowing up Iran to distract from the Epstein files.

But it gets more expensive every year at a much higher rate than inflation. That has to be hurting economic growth.  Secondly, while humanity’s expansion will no doubt leave some ugly spots on the earth after things slow down, the climate should go back to normal since plants eat carbon dioxide. 

Here's what your local AI data center has to say about that:

It is physically impossible for trees alone to scrub the (CO_{2}) increase since the industrial age. Even if emissions stopped immediately, Earth’s ecosystems and oceans would take centuries to thousands of years to naturally sequester and rebalance the vast backlog of carbon. [1, 2]
Here is a breakdown of why this is the case:
  • Short-Term Capacity: If we stopped emitting today, natural processes (like plant growth and ocean mixing) would scrub roughly 50% of the excess (CO_{2}) from the atmosphere within 30 to 50 years. However, the remaining carbon is incredibly difficult to remove. [1, 2]
  • The Geological Timeline: It takes tens of thousands of years for deep-ocean mixing and slow geological processes (like weathering and mineralization) to completely remove the (CO_{2}) added by fossil fuels. [1, 2]
  • The Problem with Trees: Trees are excellent temporary carbon sinks, but when they die and decompose (or burn in wildfires), the stored carbon is released right back into the atmosphere. To act as permanent carbon storage, the wood would need to be continuously harvested and turned into long-lasting products, or buried deep underground. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Ecosystem Vulnerability: Recent research has highlighted the fragility of natural carbon sinks. Extreme events such as severe droughts and wildfires can occasionally cause global forests to emit more carbon than they absorb

Sure the climate will eventually go back to normal or back to an ice age following the natural cycle. Meanwhile fresh water will run out, coastal cities will have to move, deserts will grow. We can go live in Antarctica though and Siberia, Northern Canada.

Plus there are more dangerous greenhouse gasses than co2 and we're also polluting the Earth with micro plastics and so many other things that will take hundreds of thousands of years to recover from.



SvennoJ said:
shavenferret said:

But it gets more expensive every year at a much higher rate than inflation. That has to be hurting economic growth.  Secondly, while humanity’s expansion will no doubt leave some ugly spots on the earth after things slow down, the climate should go back to normal since plants eat carbon dioxide. 

Here's what your local AI data center has to say about that:

It is physically impossible for trees alone to scrub the (CO_{2}) increase since the industrial age. Even if emissions stopped immediately, Earth’s ecosystems and oceans would take centuries to thousands of years to naturally sequester and rebalance the vast backlog of carbon. [1, 2]
Here is a breakdown of why this is the case:
  • Short-Term Capacity: If we stopped emitting today, natural processes (like plant growth and ocean mixing) would scrub roughly 50% of the excess (CO_{2}) from the atmosphere within 30 to 50 years. However, the remaining carbon is incredibly difficult to remove. [1, 2]
  • The Geological Timeline: It takes tens of thousands of years for deep-ocean mixing and slow geological processes (like weathering and mineralization) to completely remove the (CO_{2}) added by fossil fuels. [1, 2]
  • The Problem with Trees: Trees are excellent temporary carbon sinks, but when they die and decompose (or burn in wildfires), the stored carbon is released right back into the atmosphere. To act as permanent carbon storage, the wood would need to be continuously harvested and turned into long-lasting products, or buried deep underground. [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]
  • Ecosystem Vulnerability: Recent research has highlighted the fragility of natural carbon sinks. Extreme events such as severe droughts and wildfires can occasionally cause global forests to emit more carbon than they absorb

Sure the climate will eventually go back to normal or back to an ice age following the natural cycle. Meanwhile fresh water will run out, coastal cities will have to move, deserts will grow. We can go live in Antarctica though and Siberia, Northern Canada.

Plus there are more dangerous greenhouse gasses than co2 and we're also polluting the Earth with micro plastics and so many other things that will take hundreds of thousands of years to recover from.

Then we might as well all sit back and wait to die. -_-



CaptainExplosion said:
I tried that before, and didn't get anywhere. If extreme opinions will save the world from AI data centres then so be it. If people were to blow up every AI data center then I would support them. Nonviolent resistance doesn't work anymore.

Dude, chill on the violence.

I am german and I tell you a story about german history. Not the one you think, later than that, in the 1970s. German students saw their protests of capitalism and imperialism (worthwile goals I support) failed and the disappointed ones started to evaluate other options. Some entered regular political parties, moving through the institutions and some of our politicians today are from these. Others took a more radical turn. Especially a group that called themself Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF, english Red Army Faction) decided the time for nonviolent resistance is over. They started a series of domestic terror attacks in germany, that involved kidnapping, hostage situation, the direct and targeted murder of 33 people and bombings that left more than 200 injured. They achieved nothing of their goals of dismantling capitalism and imperialism. Instead they tarnished the ideologies they strived for for decades to come. People that were sympathetic to the goals stopped supporting them in fear to be seen as associated with or supportive of the RAF. So in reality, not only did they not achieve their goals, they actually hindered them. All because they chose violence.



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Mnementh said:
CaptainExplosion said:
I tried that before, and didn't get anywhere. If extreme opinions will save the world from AI data centres then so be it. If people were to blow up every AI data center then I would support them. Nonviolent resistance doesn't work anymore.

Dude, chill on the violence.

I am german and I tell you a story about german history. Not the one you think, later than that, in the 1970s. German students saw their protests of capitalism and imperialism (worthwile goals I support) failed and the disappointed ones started to evaluate other options. Some entered regular political parties, moving through the institutions and some of our politicians today are from these. Others took a more radical turn. Especially a group that called themself Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF, english Red Army Faction) decided the time for nonviolent resistance is over. They started a series of domestic terror attacks in germany, that involved kidnapping, hostage situation, the direct and targeted murder of 33 people and bombings that left more than 200 injured. They achieved nothing of their goals of dismantling capitalism and imperialism. Instead they tarnished the ideologies they strived for for decades to come. People that were sympathetic to the goals stopped supporting them in fear to be seen as associated with or supportive of the RAF. So in reality, not only did they not achieve their goals, they actually hindered them. All because they chose violence.

Then what the fuck are we supposed to do to stop data centres from destroying the world? No matter what we do or say they pop up everywhere, stealing drinking water, adding noise pollution, releasing forever chemicals, and driving up electricity costs. You sound like all we can do is just sit back and wait to die. -_-



CaptainExplosion said:
Mnementh said:

Dude, chill on the violence.

I am german and I tell you a story about german history. Not the one you think, later than that, in the 1970s. German students saw their protests of capitalism and imperialism (worthwile goals I support) failed and the disappointed ones started to evaluate other options. Some entered regular political parties, moving through the institutions and some of our politicians today are from these. Others took a more radical turn. Especially a group that called themself Rote Armee Fraktion (RAF, english Red Army Faction) decided the time for nonviolent resistance is over. They started a series of domestic terror attacks in germany, that involved kidnapping, hostage situation, the direct and targeted murder of 33 people and bombings that left more than 200 injured. They achieved nothing of their goals of dismantling capitalism and imperialism. Instead they tarnished the ideologies they strived for for decades to come. People that were sympathetic to the goals stopped supporting them in fear to be seen as associated with or supportive of the RAF. So in reality, not only did they not achieve their goals, they actually hindered them. All because they chose violence.

Then what the fuck are we supposed to do to stop data centres from destroying the world? No matter what we do or say they pop up everywhere, stealing drinking water, adding noise pollution, releasing forever chemicals, and driving up electricity costs. You sound like all we can do is just sit back and wait to die. -_-

We did that back in the 80s, waiting for the bombs to fall while acid rain was destroying the forests. We're still here, but what doesn't kill you makes you stronger should be what doesn't kill you makes you more complacent... Humanity has been bombarded with existential threats for many decades, WW3, ozone layer, asbestos, mad cow disease, y2k, dot com bubble, peak oil, solar storms knocking out the power grid, global warming. So now you're regarded as "the boy who cried wolf" by the majority. Not that those were all false alarms, far from it, but that's how people interpret it when they don't die... Humanities downfall will be that hazards are only addressed after a tragedy occurs. One day that tragedy will be too big to recover from. Climate change might be it, going slow and irregular enough to be mostly ignored, yet irreversible with today's technology.