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Groundking said:
Zippy6 said:

The GAAS was cancelled, and I guess they couldn't get on the same page for a full new game. But surely there was a remake project they could have taken up lol. Bloodborne for example.

Shame.

Thank fuck they were shut down before they butchered Bloodborne just like they butchered Demon's Souls.

I think this is a pretty shit thing from Sony to do, after Sony realised they fucked up with the GAAS stuff they should have given them a chance to make their own ip and then if that failed fair enough.

All this is is just more proof that Sony are losing the plot and a shadow of their former selves. The PS5 is easily the worst gen they've ever done, not even close.

How did they butcher Demons Souls? Seemed like a pretty faithful remake to me.



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KLXVER said:
Groundking said:

Thank fuck they were shut down before they butchered Bloodborne just like they butchered Demon's Souls.

I think this is a pretty shit thing from Sony to do, after Sony realised they fucked up with the GAAS stuff they should have given them a chance to make their own ip and then if that failed fair enough.

All this is is just more proof that Sony are losing the plot and a shadow of their former selves. The PS5 is easily the worst gen they've ever done, not even close.

How did they butcher Demons Souls? Seemed like a pretty faithful remake to me.

Just people being art direction purists. There are some distinct visuals tones in relation to colour and mood which BP missed or redirected from the OG games but its nothing which destroys the value the remakes offer.



Otter said:
KLXVER said:

How did they butcher Demons Souls? Seemed like a pretty faithful remake to me.

Just people being art direction purists. There are some distinct visuals tones in relation to colour and mood which BP missed or redirected from the OG games but its nothing which destroys the value the remakes offer.

I much rather play it in 60fps then a cinematic 30fps. Also DS wasn't a pretty game at all. Influential sure, but it was an experimental game and graphical fidelity wasn't top of mind.



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KLXVER said:
Groundking said:

Thank fuck they were shut down before they butchered Bloodborne just like they butchered Demon's Souls.

I think this is a pretty shit thing from Sony to do, after Sony realised they fucked up with the GAAS stuff they should have given them a chance to make their own ip and then if that failed fair enough.

All this is is just more proof that Sony are losing the plot and a shadow of their former selves. The PS5 is easily the worst gen they've ever done, not even close.

How did they butcher Demons Souls? Seemed like a pretty faithful remake to me.

It sounds like a massive personal issue.

I can understand people preffering the original, I'll likely fall in that group, but saying the game was butchered...



KLXVER said:
Groundking said:

Thank fuck they were shut down before they butchered Bloodborne just like they butchered Demon's Souls.

I think this is a pretty shit thing from Sony to do, after Sony realised they fucked up with the GAAS stuff they should have given them a chance to make their own ip and then if that failed fair enough.

All this is is just more proof that Sony are losing the plot and a shadow of their former selves. The PS5 is easily the worst gen they've ever done, not even close.

How did they butcher Demons Souls? Seemed like a pretty faithful remake to me.

Maiden Astrea's theme

Everything about Latria (this is really unforgivable, easily the best area From has ever made and they totally ruined the atmosphere of the area, wtf were they thinking having the Mistress sing the MAIDENS SONG SHE USES TO LUL THE OLD ONE BACK TO SLUMB!?!?!? Honestly just for what they did to Latria was enough to deserve being shut down imo.)

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Boletaria having loads of nonsense ornate decoration and being overgrown despite it supposed to be a working fortress. 

Old King Doran's tomb being replaced by a church and his anime style statue being replaced by a generic boring king in chainmail armour statue.

This is just stuff that most pissed me off when playing but honestly, outside of some aspects of Shrine of Storms I hate everything about the DeS remake and what makes it worse is the disgusting arrogance BP had when talking about the game in the lead up to the release suggesting that they knew better than FROMSOFTWARE of all people. 

Good grief what a garbage remake and what's truly funny about it is that if it wasn't for fan backlash when the trailers were released it would have been even worse, the fact that the first version of the Flamelurker was just any old generic demon (and all the nonsense that they were spouting about it before the release of the game) shows that these clowns had no idea about anything going on in this game, the Flamelurker has a smooth crown of the head which is suggesting that the Flamelurker is burrower king who you see adorn the 2nd archstone. This is just one of the many environment story telling little details that From put into Demon's souls that is broken by the remake and the clueless decisions made by the devs.



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Groundking said:
KLXVER said:

How did they butcher Demons Souls? Seemed like a pretty faithful remake to me.

Maiden Astrea's theme

Everything about Latria (this is really unforgivable, easily the best area From has ever made and they totally ruined the atmosphere of the area, wtf were they thinking having the Mistress sing the MAIDENS SONG SHE USES TO LUL THE OLD ONE BACK TO SLUMB!?!?!? Honestly just for what they did to Latria was enough to deserve being shut down imo.)

Fat Officials

Adjudicator

Boletaria having loads of nonsense ornate decoration and being overgrown despite it supposed to be a working fortress. 

Old King Doran's tomb being replaced by a church and his anime style statue being replaced by a generic boring king in chainmail armour statue.

This is just stuff that most pissed me off when playing but honestly, outside of some aspects of Shrine of Storms I hate everything about the DeS remake and what makes it worse is the disgusting arrogance BP had when talking about the game in the lead up to the release suggesting that they knew better than FROMSOFTWARE of all people. 

Good grief what a garbage remake and what's truly funny about it is that if it wasn't for fan backlash when the trailers were released it would have been even worse, the fact that the first version of the Flamelurker was just any old generic demon (and all the nonsense that they were spouting about it before the release of the game) shows that these clowns had no idea about anything going on in this game, the Flamelurker has a smooth crown of the head which is suggesting that the Flamelurker is burrower king who you see adorn the 2nd archstone. This is just one of the many environment story telling little details that From put into Demon's souls that is broken by the remake and the clueless decisions made by the devs.

Fair enough. I have just beaten the original Demons Souls once like 12 years ago and you are obviously very fond of it. I mean I dont even know what you are talking about for the most part. I do remember the Flamelurker though. To me they seemed pretty much the same, but obviously I dont have your and many other gamers kind of love for the game. I just thought it was fun on PS3 and PS5.



KLXVER said:
Groundking said:

Maiden Astrea's theme

Everything about Latria (this is really unforgivable, easily the best area From has ever made and they totally ruined the atmosphere of the area, wtf were they thinking having the Mistress sing the MAIDENS SONG SHE USES TO LUL THE OLD ONE BACK TO SLUMB!?!?!? Honestly just for what they did to Latria was enough to deserve being shut down imo.)

Fat Officials

Adjudicator

Boletaria having loads of nonsense ornate decoration and being overgrown despite it supposed to be a working fortress. 

Old King Doran's tomb being replaced by a church and his anime style statue being replaced by a generic boring king in chainmail armour statue.

This is just stuff that most pissed me off when playing but honestly, outside of some aspects of Shrine of Storms I hate everything about the DeS remake and what makes it worse is the disgusting arrogance BP had when talking about the game in the lead up to the release suggesting that they knew better than FROMSOFTWARE of all people. 

Good grief what a garbage remake and what's truly funny about it is that if it wasn't for fan backlash when the trailers were released it would have been even worse, the fact that the first version of the Flamelurker was just any old generic demon (and all the nonsense that they were spouting about it before the release of the game) shows that these clowns had no idea about anything going on in this game, the Flamelurker has a smooth crown of the head which is suggesting that the Flamelurker is burrower king who you see adorn the 2nd archstone. This is just one of the many environment story telling little details that From put into Demon's souls that is broken by the remake and the clueless decisions made by the devs.

Fair enough. I have just beaten the original Demons Souls once like 12 years ago and you are obviously very fond of it. I mean I dont even know what you are talking about for the most part. I do remember the Flamelurker though. To me they seemed pretty much the same, but obviously I dont have your and many other gamers kind of love for the game. I just thought it was fun on PS3 and PS5.

Well all this is before we get to the gameplay changes lol, why would they give the walk inertia when the whole game is built around your walk speed? Also they redid the hitboxes of many of the bosses, the worst being the Flamelurkers ground pound.

It's honestly indefensible.



Groundking said:
KLXVER said:

Fair enough. I have just beaten the original Demons Souls once like 12 years ago and you are obviously very fond of it. I mean I dont even know what you are talking about for the most part. I do remember the Flamelurker though. To me they seemed pretty much the same, but obviously I dont have your and many other gamers kind of love for the game. I just thought it was fun on PS3 and PS5.

Well all this is before we get to the gameplay changes lol, why would they give the walk inertia when the whole game is built around your walk speed? Also they redid the hitboxes of many of the bosses, the worst being the Flamelurkers ground pound.

It's honestly indefensible.

I did find the remake a bit more difficult than I remember from the original.



Admittedly I'm not a hardcore purist, but I thought their remakes of Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls looked fantastic.



curl-6 said:

Admittedly I'm not a hardcore purist, but I thought their remakes of Shadow of the Colossus and Demon's Souls looked fantastic.

After the discussion here I went to look for a video explaining how Demon's Souls changes were so bad, it is a ~70 minutes video from which I watched ~30 yesterday, and so far, it is mostly only overblown nitpicking, at least in what was presented so far in that video.

The guy seems to have an excellent understanding of many nuances on the story and design language from the original game, but so far the only things I can agree with are the overall atmosphere and how bad they decided to remake the fat officials loom. Everything else is expected to be subject to change when being remade, not remastered, and seems like the guy is forcing criticism for the sole reason of it not being exactly the same as before, even if the changes make the remake vastly more visually pleasing.

That video mentions the intro being changed from a guy struggle to a hero beatdown, and I agree with it, not that it is a problem on a intro video, but that's an overall feeling I have the game itself will not match the original, by being slow (not the performance issues) as the original, which is the most grounded game from them all.

You struggle to deal with a big enemies or a small group partly because you won't have as easy a time roll spamming like you can have on Dark Souls 3 for example. The remake may play better than the original, like the newer games also do, but Demon's Souls definitely had the better approach IMO, intentional or not, of struggling to fight big creatures or groups that should easy physically overwhelm the protagonist, you feel that way when playing the original and that's awesome.

As posted here it seems like it'll have some bad design changes with sutble lore implications and changes/mistakes regarding some songs, the later in special can be quite a big stain indeed, but as of what I saw up until now I can't agree with the Remake butchering the original at all.