SS and Medicare are not handouts.  Most people pay into those programs their entire careers and simply get a portion of their money back.  

Food stamps are not popular nor is medicaid.  Most middle Americans have no issues gutting those programs.  

We will have to agree to disagree because we clearly live in two different words.

And none that changes the fact that 12,000,000 people chose not to endorse Harris....  "because stupid" doesn't explain that massive drop out.  Not aligning with the candidate and not loving liberal policies does explain it. 

I mean how many swing states did harris pickup?  None?  Oh, but that darn Electoral College...  oh wait, she lost the popular vote too.  

Conclusion, the platform is loved isn't logical, full stop.  

Just to be clear, the people who did not support Harris are also stupid, but for completely different reasons: Apathy. They are not the same group we were discussing earlier. Harris lost 6 million votes compared to Biden, not 12, and those votes did not necessarily go to Trump either. Trump gained 3 million new votes compared to Biden's election, but a large portion of those were first-time voters aged 18–24

Biden won by 65–35, while Harris won by 54–43 a very significant difference. There was a swing to the right, but it was not that substantial. If a person believes social programs are just charity handouts, there's a high chance they have been consistently conservative, right-wing, and voting Republican for quite some time. The main issue was mostly Democrats and independents not voting for Harris, rather than a large swing toward Trump

Edit: There is a group that turned to the right and for Trump though: Latin community, specially latin men. Quite amusing if you ask me, considering how Trump is treating immigrants 

Looks like this little controversy did nothing for Sweeney's new movie which just opened this last weekend, and then bombed.

Gotta be the genes.

Sidney Sweeney's AMERICANA was ignored by audiences, debuting with just $500k in 1,100 venues, just $455 per.

— Exhibitor Relations Co. (@ercboxoffice.bsky.social) August 17, 2025 at 9:59 AM

Good job on the fact-checking. That the 12 million figure was taken and run with demonstrates confirmation bias.

I agree with you that not supporting Harris was also stupid, but I wouldn't explain that with apathy. I'd call it dissatisfaction with the Biden administration coupled with the intent to teach Democrats a lesson by refusing to vote for them; the basic reasoning for this kind of voters being that they didn't want to reward a political party they weren't happy with. They didn't go as far as voting for Trump because they knew he would be worse, they chose to simply not show up.

But this is stupid behavior in a two-party system. The intent was to punish a political party, but the thing is that life just goes on for politicians. They are wealthy and will hardly be affected in any significant way which explains why so few Democrats have bothered to stand up against Trump in any meaningful capacity. The non-voters themselves, however, will face the consequences because they aren't as well off as the people they wanted to punish. They wanted to hurt the Democratic party and ended up hurting themselves. And again, that's the definition of stupidity, that your own actions end up hurting you.

The thing is middle America does like handouts, they just do not like handouts that also benefit other groups they feel does not deserve it.  Trust you me, if the handouts were selective to only them, they would be all for it.  This is why the republican message resonate with that group so well.  forget how those services could help you in need, instead think about all the people who are using those services who do not deserve it.

Now this would be an opportunity for Sidney and her marketing crew to go online have a bunch of people pretend to be liberals and than rant about the movie.  Next it would be posted all over the internet about how the liberals are trying to bully her and conservatives will go out in droves to watch the movie.  I know someone must be thinking this up right now.  Maybe I should call Sidney up and pitch this ideal.  Before long, she will be the icon of America after I get through.

https://www.kff.org/medicaid/poll-finding/7-charts-about-public-opinion-on-medicaid/

https://www.fmi.org/blog/view/fmi-blog/2025/05/12/americans-broadly-support-snap-and-oppose-significant-reductions

https://www.fah.org/blog/icymi-overwhelming-voter-opposition-to-medicaid-cuts/

https://apnews.com/article/poll-government-spending-medicare-medicaid-social-security-0ccb0538c06d715b43bbbcaa4a1348cf

Medicaid & SNAP are extremely popular.

You’re right that people pay into Medicare & Social Security, what you’re wrong about is them just getting a portion of that back. The average person collects more from these programs than they put into them.

I’m pretty sure we’ve already found common ground on whether people are stupid so I’m not sure why you keep bringing it up. Didn’t we just recently agree that the general population is low information voters who don’t closely follow or understand politics and largely vote based on vibes?

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https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-millions-voters-kamala-harris-trump-election-1981954

12 million = 81.2 vs. 69.

If you have better sources please share

As a non American, I keep being surprised. Did not know Harris won. But perhaps you mean the age group 18-24 only?

The reason more of the latin community voted Trump is logical. People that went through the arduous process in becoming a citizen, which probably took years, do not appreciate others taking a shortcut. It's really that simple. Legal vs. Illegal immigration.

https://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/statistics/elections/2024

Kamala had 75 million votes