Except for Africa, no country would literally exist without immigration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recent_African_origin_of_modern_humans

Thanks for the post but I am already well aware of it and the challenges ahead. By the way, pension systems should 100% change radically, the sooner the better. There are so many problems with it that it would take a full day for me to write about it. In the end, its just not fit for purpose.

I think there is a lot of things that can be done before you make the decision to have open borders into a country for a very long time, with the risk of erasing a certain culture or making your country to become unrecognisable. I am not british but I certainly want t UK to keep on having british culture, with rule of law, low crime rate, respect for women rights, a capitalist society, free speech and freedom of sex and religion. Horrible food, beans on toast, horrible women make up, marmite and the monarchy included. 

People have the right to choose the course of action of a nation, and if people form a certain nation decide that they prefer face the challenges than go for open borders then so be it. A nation should even have the right to decide where to bring foreigners from if they wish so, how many, for which professions and etc.

This choice was taken away from people. Not only taken away but in the process politicians and media keep on saying that people is wrong to even question it.

I work in finance so the economic benefit theme always interested me, and I have a good radar to sense bullshit related to it. The economic cost and benefit of mass migration has been purposefully clouded by both sides in the discussion. The amount of wrong information, nickpicking of data, data being hidden by people is absolutely absurd. The same for crime.

I remember my cousin mentioning to me "do you know immigrants contribute more to the NHS than they actually use?" then it took me like 30 minutes to explain why this premise is wrong in the long run and why associating the tax they pay or economic gain they generate with ONLY nhs expending is absolutely wrong. In the end she just didnt care and kept repeating the same mantra.

It is uncontrolled immigration when UK trained doctors can't find jobs because they're competing with the entire world on the few jobs that are available. It is uncontrolled immigration if Wes Streating has to come out and say, okay, we're actually messed up here and we need to prioritise our own people, including our own doctors. it is uncontrolled immigration when many of those migrants don't work, claim benefits, don't speak the language, require more appointments and interpreters whenever they use public services. It is uncontrolled when we continue to get thousands upon thousands of migrants from a safe continent and countries like France and house them in expensive hotels. What are you fleeing from in France, really?

Keep in mind, those crossing the channel are mostly men, with no female partners to help with the population. It will be interesting really to see how many of them actually end up starting a family and go on contributing to the society, when they can't even speak the language, Guess what? Those 200,000 men that have crossed the channels will also need children of their own to help prop up the failing pension scheme. Years of record migration numbers, and we still have shortages in the same sectors that we always have had shortages in, because none of it is planned migration that is designed to help the country where it's needed but an easy fix for consumption-driven GDP while the standards of living continue to fall. We don't have governments that look after people. We have governments that look after big businesses and their interests. 

I'm not blaming immigrants for wanting to come here. They should absolutely come here while the door is open and while it's possible for them to do so, they're not at fault for pursuing opportunities that are available to them, they are not responsible for any of the problems the country is facing. 

But let's not fool ourselves. Everything is poorly run in this country. Everything is random, unplanned, uncontrolled, and needs to be rethought and started over, including the NHS. Why is it that we can't point out that immigration as well is unplanned and uncontrolled and random and is not designed in any way to be optimal for the country? Nothing is after all. We're just meant to sit here and pretend that actually we can handle all these numbers, and pretend we have a plan for them. And we will succeed at integrating them into society. And we will be able to build schools and hospitals and clinics to look after them and after our own people at the same time when it doesn't seem like we're succeeding at anything, even after giving Labour an overwhelming majority that they're doing everything in their power to lose. 

If Keir Starmer comes out tomorrow and says, we're going to get a million migrants this year to help us build home; builders, plumbers, electricians, just to fix the housing crisis, we will do what the Gulf states have done, to build all these stadiums in a small number of years and make life better for everyone in this country, the natives and the migrants. Do you think immigration will be met with the same negativity it is met with now? but that will never happen because fixing the housing crisis means making the ultra rich slightly less richer and we all know we can't have that. 

As for people being fearful of change, to be honest, they should be. I do not want to celebrate diversity in which huge subset of the society is teaching young girls that they should cover up and wear the hijab. To me, the hijab is not a symbol of diversity. It's a symbol of oppression, The left doesn't want to see this because they have hamstrung their brains with a made-up term that is Islamophobia, all ideologies are phobic to each other, and certain religions in particular deserve to be perceived with skepticism and fear; this includes all the Abrahamic religions. Islam always gets treated with kids' gloves because fuck knows. Let's see what's going to happen to the LGBT community years down the line when this societal change that the left perceives as a benign one takes hold of more cities, when politicians will be forced to appease to the religious to win elections. 

I guess that's why they inherently fear the dangers of uncontrolled immigration... We all radically changed societies in the countries our ancestors colonized and migrated to. 

We're the 'natives' now looking at the Mayflower arrive on our shores... And we know millions more want to come to the 'new' world.

Hence we need to celebrate our culture as much as possible, introduce and incorporate new comers to our culture. 

The problem with Islamophobia is that we isolate 'them' and push/keep them in their own cultural ideas hindering any progress towards 'enlightenment'. Not that long ago Europe had similar attitudes to women, oppression. Prosperity led to enlightenment. (Unfortunately that prosperity came from fucking up the rest of the world)

The big challenge now is that shrinking/stagnating economies are driving people back to old fashioned ideas, MAGA, facism, close mindedness. All driven by the billionaire class that wants to hang on to their privilege instead of shaping society for the better. 

Religion lost its hold in the West thanks to the industrial revolution and age of enlightenment. Now we have to find a way to make our culture / way of life as desirable as our countries services, the reason for economic migration. 

And yes

"If Keir Starmer comes out tomorrow and says, we're going to get a million migrants this year to help us build home; builders, plumbers, electricians, just to fix the housing crisis, we will do what the Gulf states have done, to build all these stadiums in a small number of years and make life better for everyone in this country, the natives and the migrants. Do you think immigration will be met with the same negativity it is met with now? but that will never happen because fixing the housing crisis means making the ultra rich slightly less richer and we all know we can't have that. "

This is the real problem. Instead of investing in migration we push them into sticking to their own. The Netherlands tried forced naturalization and spreading migrants out, didn't seem to work very much. But at least learning the language should be mandatory. You can't integrate if you can't even understand the language. 

But that requires investment in education (right won't like that) and tying social benefits to following language lessons (left won't like that). But indeed letting in tons of migrants and leave them to their own devices is not the way to integrate them in your society. Then they'll be building their own society inside ours as what we see happening. 

Programs like these need to happen more
https://www.canada.ca/en/department-justice/news/2023/10/increasing-access-to-justice-for-muslim-communities-in-ontario-and-manitoba.html

https://www.canada.ca/en/immigration-refugees-citizenship/services/settle-canada/language-skills/classes.html

My mother worked with refugee children as a school teacher. The big challenge was to involve the migrant parents that didn't understand Dutch nor English and only had their children to interpret for them. The parents lived in their own bubble with other migrants, excluded by society due to the language barrier.

Their kids were basically the ambassadors of Dutch culture through attending school. Hence again, so absolutely effing stupid that that British school excludes British culture from culture day.


Maybe AI will do something good here in producing a universal real time translator, star trek style. No clue how that's gonna work but it would solve a lot of problems! Until them, promote learning the language, free classes with benefits, penalties if refusing to at least try to learn the language and culture.

Heck I had to prove my ability in English and knowledge of Canadian society in order to become a citizen. Citizen ship test should be mandatory even though you're a refugee. (Plus the test is rather easy, read a pamphlet and answer some multiple choice questions) Can you pass as a Canadian? :)

https://www.mycanadianway.com/practice-test

Phew I still pass :) 17/20

I think the only thing you don't get as a citizen here is the right to vote. So at least precludes politicians having to appease non citizens for votes! You got to pass the test to get the right to vote and thus shape policies. 

I only got 11 right for the UK lol
https://britizen.uk/practice/life-in-the-uk-test/1

Staying here :)

Anyway isn't it the same in UK, got to pass the test to become a citizen and be eligible to vote? Just being a resident doesn't give you the power to shape politics. And I assume there is no Arabic version of the test, got to at least learn the language.

"While the test itself is only in English, if you have difficulty understanding English, you can bring a translator or interpreter with you to the test. However, the translator/interpreter cannot assist you during the test, and you will be responsible for your own answers"

Err... That looks rather self defeating.

Not an isolated incident it seems; just days after the incident described in the OP, several students, including Isobelle Wherle, aged 15, were held in isolation for wearing the British flag to a school culture day, while other students wearing the flags of other countries were allowed to do so:

https://www.dailystar.co.uk/news/uk-news/school-puts-30-kids-isolation-35607710