| JuliusHackebeil said: This thread is in part about imigration, because immigration is responsable for fostering a climate where children are not allowed to celebrate their own culture, a fundamental failure in how to handle multicultural societys. This alone (as a microcosm for bigger but similar problems) makes immigration not worth it for me. But apart from cultural enrichment, people also make an economic argument for immigration. How much does housing cost though, for legal and illegal immigrants? How much for food and transportation? How much for education (learning english as a start)? How much for the additional strain the NHS? How much for additional policing and a higher crime rate in general (Sweden saw a staggering increase since taking on a staggering amount of migrants)? In Germany I heard that almost half the money for the unemployed goes to migrants now. If this veritable mountain of money would go to the native population (the source of all this money), perhaps people would feel more inclined to have kids. But there are also things way harder to quantify in monetary terms. How much does it cost to go from a high trust society to a low trust one? How much for losing the vote for women? How much for losing free speech? How much for losing democracy to theocracy? Some might think these points to be extreme, but the majority of muslims in the UK want sharia law. And this is exactly what you would get with that. But importing cheap foreign labour will at least really show the billionairs, right? |
I work in finance so the economic benefit theme always interested me, and I have a good radar to sense bullshit related to it. The economic cost and benefit of mass migration has been purposefully clouded by both sides in the discussion. The amount of wrong information, nickpicking of data, data being hidden by people is absolutely absurd. The same for crime.
I remember my cousin mentioning to me "do you know immigrants contribute more to the NHS than they actually use?" then it took me like 30 minutes to explain why this premise is wrong in the long run and why associating the tax they pay or economic gain they generate with ONLY nhs expending is absolutely wrong. In the end she just didnt care and kept repeating the same mantra.
