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Release the files...

Even if it destroys count... 18 72.00%
 
Yes but redact non criminals 7 28.00%
 
Yes but redact all names 0 0%
 
No, keep the status quo 0 0%
 
No, There is nothing to see 0 0%
 
I have no idea what should be done 0 0%
 
Total:25

Shouldn't even be a debate. One of the accusers got into a wreck very recently, survived, made a post about not being suicidal, and then got hit by a bus shortly after and died. They are silencing them right in front of us. And now Trump has the audacity to call us stupid because we believed him when he said he would release the files? I hope the entire Trump family name crashes, and you're an absolute cuck if you still support him after this, 3 time Trump voter, never again, it's time for a third party.



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There are so many victims, why has none of them ever mentioned any names? Why has none of the names ever been leaked or even whispered about? Both parities have been in control of the information, the democrats had it for four years, and now the republicans and yet we the people know very little from ether side. I have a few personal ideas but no idea what is the real truth.


- Maybe there is no actual "list" but rather a bunch of information that needs to be pieced together, flight logs, phone conversations, hotel bookings, etc.
- Maybe there are some powerful names not just in America but other countries as well that would cause major issues in the respective countries and so the information is been handled differently from most other such cases.
- Maybe stuff is going on behind the scenes that we don't know about it, and the actual information will be released once the chess pieces are in their proper position.
- Maybe the Epstein information is currently being used as a form of blackmail against said powerful figures.
- Maybe a lot of the information was destroyed when the change of power happened this past election

- Maybe its a collaboration of everything mentioned above.

It might be a lot harder than just releasing all the information what seems to be what the average person wants. It seems like every month there is something "new" that the average American has hot blood over. Ukraine, Israel, Iran, No Kings, Tariffs and now Epstein. Wonder what next month will be.



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ironmanDX said:

Redact the names of the victims. Release the information we want.

This. But think about contacts that were adjacent but committed no crimes, surely redact those too? They would be ruined simply by association and have done nothing wrong...



shavenferret said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Thoughts on the Epstien situation? It's looking like a large chunk of the 1% are very evil people or adjacent to very evil people and likely knew of the worst of crimes while doing nothing about it. Please feel free to give your thoughts but I'll ask one question...

Should some people be protected. Perhaps redact all non criminals to protect those people? Should the files be released is the majority of the 1% and world leaders are named in there? Even if it were to destroy whole countries? 

Personally I see both sides of the argument but sunshine is the best disinfectant. Release everything and let things fall as they may, build it all back up again afterward. Victims first, then the people adjacent to the criminals second. 

Is this from Bohemian Grove?  looks like some occultic/ritualistic setting if not.  

Anyway, I think that some people were genuinely wanting to connect with other powerful folks and have what we all would consider a good time.  It would seem wrong to unfaily paint them as well.  

Also, epstein got exactly what he deserved.  He was a professional/evil troll by arranging these parties and blackmailing whoever came.  He provided the girls and paid their family off to secure them coming.  I don't feel sorry what should be an entry in a modern day version of Aesop's Fables.  Very unwise of him to demand $$$$$ from the rich and powerful or anybody really.  

I think that Trump has been implicated in this epstein business, and perhaps it is because of that, that he is wanting to not be an asshole anymore and not help ukraine when good people are dying.  He can't just do whatever evil crap comes to mind and think that the public won't judge him thusly.  So, Zelensky should be smiling at those pictures of trump with epstein since this is what has possibly brought him around.  

Bohemian Grove, yeah. I'm sure there is even worse stuff at Bohemian Grove and Masonic rituals if the ex members can be believed. Apparently, they believe that raping kids gives them longer life. However there is no way to even begin to investigate that one. 

And yeah, it is strange that Trump suddenly reversed his stance on Ukraine. Maybe he'll cut off Isreal yet. This could be a good thing for the people, if he's implicated in those files he'll feel the need to compensate. 



TheTitaniumNub said:

Shouldn't even be a debate. One of the accusers got into a wreck very recently, survived, made a post about not being suicidal, and then got hit by a bus shortly after and died. They are silencing them right in front of us. And now Trump has the audacity to call us stupid because we believed him when he said he would release the files? I hope the entire Trump family name crashes, and you're an absolute cuck if you still support him after this, 3 time Trump voter, never again, it's time for a third party.

Jesus. They can't kill 1000 people and get away with it. 



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I don’t see why the client list shouldn’t be released by now, provided that it exists of course, which we have every reason to believe it does. But if it really doesn’t exist, then Trump and his administration should come out and APOLOGISE to the american people and the democrats and they should all be impeached for lying so relentlessly about this topic.



LegitHyperbole said:
TheTitaniumNub said:

Shouldn't even be a debate. One of the accusers got into a wreck very recently, survived, made a post about not being suicidal, and then got hit by a bus shortly after and died. They are silencing them right in front of us. And now Trump has the audacity to call us stupid because we believed him when he said he would release the files? I hope the entire Trump family name crashes, and you're an absolute cuck if you still support him after this, 3 time Trump voter, never again, it's time for a third party.

Jesus. They can't kill 1000 people and get away with it. 

They dont need to. Just a few will silence the rest.



TheTitaniumNub said:

Shouldn't even be a debate. One of the accusers got into a wreck very recently, survived, made a post about not being suicidal, and then got hit by a bus shortly after and died. They are silencing them right in front of us. And now Trump has the audacity to call us stupid because we believed him when he said he would release the files? I hope the entire Trump family name crashes, and you're an absolute cuck if you still support him after this, 3 time Trump voter, never again, it's time for a third party.

I personally think she looked already dead on the picture that was posted alongside that message. Its eerie.



I think there's some shady shit going on, there's really no way around. All the twists and turns, technical malfunctions, traces of potential doctoring of footage from the cell block, victims and witnesses dying, lists existing and then suddenly not some time after. This is one of those things where everyone knows shit is going down; they simply lack the power and/or influence to do anything about it. And the big dogs in the pen know this very well. It's screwed up, but similar things have happened before. There might be comeuppance at some point, at least in a rhetorical sense, but I imagine it decades in the future, once most of the worst offenders are dead and gone - free from potential fallout and consequence. 

Shit like this is why people like Snowden and Assange have to be protected and get their due credit (even if any of the accusations Assange are/were true, that takes nothing away from the impact and importance of Wikileaks and their work).



LegitHyperbole said:
ironmanDX said:

Redact the names of the victims. Release the information we want.

This. But think about contacts that were adjacent but committed no crimes, surely redact those too? They would be ruined simply by association and have done nothing wrong...

The context will be there for all the see, just being in Epstein's phone list won't be enough to say one way or another and anyone who says that it does will be disregarded as an idiot, if your worry is about people manipulating information, people are already doing that with zero information out there. Release the entire files and we will be able to see who simply spoke to Epstein from time to time and who had closer connections to him and who is for sure a nonce. There are already people like Prince Andrew who everyone assumes is a nonce anyway, he definitely is a nonce, the public deserve to know for sure though, especially when we're funding these nonces and represented by them.

Also redacting anyone aside from the victims opens the doors up for politicians or powerful figures to get themselves redacted too, I have zero trust that the current government of America would carefully comb through the files and only redact those who are for sure not implicated, once you allow them to redact anyone aside from the victims, they will absolutely take advantage of that and redact even those implicated.

At this point it has been poisoned so much that it has to be all (excluding victims) or nothing, anything less can't be trusted after how much of a shitshow the current admin has made of this. They said the files existed, they said they had the files, now suddenly the files don't exist, now they're saying the files exist but were made up by Obama/Clinton/Comey/Biden, but now the files don't exist again. There's no possible way to trust them with redacting anyone other than the victims names, they've fucked it.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 17 July 2025