By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics - Why is racism so normalized on social media in 2025?

Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

I don't recall any instance where a Democrat rallied against white working people.

An error you keep repeating is that you try to both-side American politics, also happens in your post that preceded the one I just quoted. While it's true that Democrats have done only little things over the years, they at least attempted to do something. American voters are in a tough situation due to the two-party system, but a chance for improvement - no matter how small - is still undoubtedly the better option than a guarantee for things to get worse.

I don't try both-side politics, I try neither-side american politics. The faulty assumption is, that you have support either the one or the other. You can reject both.

And which (even small) improvement? I already pointed out with actual data, that there was no improvement with either party in the past decades.

Rejecting both turns into supporting the worse side in a two-party system. You aren't enlightened because you abstain, you are merely a different kind of stupid. That's because US presidential elections are decided by a few thousand votes in several states.

You aren't contesting my claim that Republicans are making things worse. That's the weird thing about American politics: The Democrats have to prove just about everything while the Republicans are regarded as the reasonable default choice.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Around the Network
RolStoppable said:

Rejecting both turns into supporting the worse side in a two-party system.

The obvious answer: why not change the two-party-system? Nearly every democracy in developed countries has more than two relevant parties, the US is the obvious deviation. So the obvious thing for any rational person is to stop relying on just two parties.

And no, a winner-takes-all is not the reason, you don't need proportional representation to fix that. This two party system is not created by actual rules, it is created by the stupid legend that choosing third-parties would lead to demise, just like you do. If you are aware that more countries outside the US exist we could look there: France, Japan, the UK all have winner-takes-all systems, and they all have more than two parties. So stop spreading inaccurate bullshit, the US could've more than two parties as well.

And as I shown with actual data and not just claiming everyone disagreeing is stupid like you do, the other countries do better in regards of wealth distribution.



3DS-FC: 4511-1768-7903 (Mii-Name: Mnementh), Nintendo-Network-ID: Mnementh, Switch: SW-7706-3819-9381 (Mnementh)

my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024

10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

S.Peelman said:
yanis-bnth said:

And funny thing, their system suck because wydm North Africans are all considered white and Arabs too ? I mean some have white skin but we are not European white. My aunt had to fill this up. Idk how that works 

Europeans, North Africans, Arabs, and Indians (from India) too are descendants from the same offshoot of the group of people that left Africa in prehistoric times. The exterior differences like skin-tone is purely due to geography; Indians stayed in the sun and stayed darker, Northern Europeans didn’t and they became lighter.

Yup, just the body balancing Vitamine D creation and not getting to much sun radiation. The distance between where our ancestors lived to the equator determined the color of our skins. It's not something ethnicity wise either (at least if not going back to the cradle of homo sapiens that is).

An Ethiopian, Nigerian and a Aboriginal have a similar skin tone, but does not mean they should all be thrown in the same bucket called 'black'. It's a disservice to how different they are in looks, culture and pretty much everything else.

Same is true for all these kind of buckets. Just because a westerner cannot see the difference between a Han-Chinese, Korean or Japanese does not mean they can't. They see it from miles away.

Even in Europe we have differences between Celtic, Slavic, Germanic or Sami ethnicities to name a few. Easily distinguishable, not just the bucket 'white'.

I really dislike this simplification and spreadsheet thinking of trying to push people in thinking in bucket terms like 'white', 'black' , 'Asian' etc.



Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Rejecting both turns into supporting the worse side in a two-party system.

The obvious answer: why not change the two-party-system? Nearly every democracy in developed countries has more than two relevant parties, the US is the obvious deviation. So the obvious thing for any rational person is to stop relying on just two parties.

And no, a winner-takes-all is not the reason, you don't need proportional representation to fix that. This two party system is not created by actual rules, it is created by the stupid legend that choosing third-parties would lead to demise, just like you do. If you are aware that more countries outside the US exist we could look there: France, Japan, the UK all have winner-takes-all systems, and they all have more than two parties. So stop spreading inaccurate bullshit, the US could've more than two parties as well.

And as I shown with actual data and not just claiming everyone disagreeing is stupid like you do, the other countries do better in regards of wealth distribution.

Winner-takes-all is the reason. In a proportional voting system, voters know that there's a high chance that their vote won't be lost (it is when countries require a threshold which usually ranges between 3-5% of all votes). In winner-takes-all, your vote will be ignored if you didn't vote for the winner. Third party candidates in the USA are usually even more clueless and useless than the two major parties. Your suggestion is akin to recommending Germans to vote the AfD because neither the CDU or SPD have fixed the big problems during the last three decades. As messed up as it is, the Democrats happen to be the most left option in US elections despite being clearly located on the right side of the political spectrum. All that is why both abstaining and voting for a third party lead to the same result of raising the odds of putting the Republicans in power.

You've waived your right to call my post bullshit when you selectively quoted it. That's not how you debate if you have actual points.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

RolStoppable said:
Mnementh said:

The obvious answer: why not change the two-party-system? Nearly every democracy in developed countries has more than two relevant parties, the US is the obvious deviation. So the obvious thing for any rational person is to stop relying on just two parties.

And no, a winner-takes-all is not the reason, you don't need proportional representation to fix that. This two party system is not created by actual rules, it is created by the stupid legend that choosing third-parties would lead to demise, just like you do. If you are aware that more countries outside the US exist we could look there: France, Japan, the UK all have winner-takes-all systems, and they all have more than two parties. So stop spreading inaccurate bullshit, the US could've more than two parties as well.

And as I shown with actual data and not just claiming everyone disagreeing is stupid like you do, the other countries do better in regards of wealth distribution.

Winner-takes-all is the reason. In a proportional voting system, voters know that there's a high chance that their vote won't be lost (it is when countries require a threshold which usually ranges between 3-5% of all votes). In winner-takes-all, your vote will be ignored if you didn't vote for the winner. Third party candidates in the USA are usually even more clueless and useless than the two major parties. Your suggestion is akin to recommending Germans to vote the AfD because neither the CDU or SPD have fixed the big problems during the last three decades. As messed up as it is, the Democrats happen to be the most left option in US elections despite being clearly located on the right side of the political spectrum. All that is why both abstaining and voting for a third party lead to the same result of raising the odds of putting the Republicans in power.

You've waived your right to call my post bullshit when you selectively quoted it. That's not how you debate if you have actual points.

France, Japan, the UK don't exist, because you say it, it is so, winner-takes-all creates a two-party-system. OK, fine you win. I guess reality loses against your flawless arguments.



3DS-FC: 4511-1768-7903 (Mii-Name: Mnementh), Nintendo-Network-ID: Mnementh, Switch: SW-7706-3819-9381 (Mnementh)

my greatest games: 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022, 2023, 2024

10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

Around the Network
Mnementh said:
RolStoppable said:

Winner-takes-all is the reason. In a proportional voting system, voters know that there's a high chance that their vote won't be lost (it is when countries require a threshold which usually ranges between 3-5% of all votes). In winner-takes-all, your vote will be ignored if you didn't vote for the winner. Third party candidates in the USA are usually even more clueless and useless than the two major parties. Your suggestion is akin to recommending Germans to vote the AfD because neither the CDU or SPD have fixed the big problems during the last three decades. As messed up as it is, the Democrats happen to be the most left option in US elections despite being clearly located on the right side of the political spectrum. All that is why both abstaining and voting for a third party lead to the same result of raising the odds of putting the Republicans in power.

You've waived your right to call my post bullshit when you selectively quoted it. That's not how you debate if you have actual points.

France, Japan, the UK don't exist, because you say it, it is so, winner-takes-all creates a two-party-system. OK, fine you win. I guess reality loses against your flawless arguments.

France has Two-Round voting so people feel more free to vote for whoever they want on first round since on the second round they get a second vote for the 2 candidates that got the most votes.  I think USA would see a lot more people voting third party if we had two-round voting.

Japan and UK both parliamentary system where you don't vote for the prime minister but vote for your local MP.  When one party does not get the majority of seats then the party with the most seats have to negotiate with other parties to form a minority government which means even a party that only get a few seats can still hold influence over the prime minister in some situation unlike USA where we vote for our president directly (well technically electoral college but the electoral college is winner take all, a thrid party cant give there electoral votes to anouther party after the fact like in a parlimentary system).

All your examples either give more influence to parties in the minority then the USA (parlimentary system) or in the case of france give citizen a second vote which we don't get in the USA.

The USA system is as RolStoppable indicated uniquely setup to encourage people to vote for one of the two party in order to maximize chance of the person you vote for having a chance to win to the point that I had press to think of another country that have a single round vote directly for president that have many parties as valid option.



curl-6 said:
sundin13 said:

Racism and racist governmental policies didn't end with Abe Lincoln. The mass move to suburbs happened roughly from 1945-1965 when many of our grandparents were likely buying their first homes (depending on how old you are). The heavy governmental subsidization of this move excluded black people from being able to purchase homes, pulling the wealth out of inner cities and leaving many of our parents generation in vastly different starting positions depending on the color of their skin. Many black individuals born in the 70s and 80 were born into deeply poor inner cities with crumbling school systems and many white individuals were born into much wealthier suburban neighborhoods with much more heavily funded school systems. 

By all means, let's help the poor, but we need to address the damage that our government did to majority minority communities. 

Again though, if it's a socioeconomic issue, then efforts to address it should be based on socioeconomic status, not race.

The solution to discrimination is to end discrimination, not discriminate in the opposite direction.

If the government bulldozes my house and then turns around and says "you should use the standard public assistance for homeless people" I think I would rightfully be pissed off.

While there should be larger scale efforts to aid those who are struggling financially, the government has a specific responsibility to the communities it directly harmed.



Mnementh said:

Again: there are a lot of policies, but how does it impact who. And again both Republicans and Democrats offer policies that are intended to help the poor. But my obsession with Gini is an oobsession with actual effective policies. If these policies would've an wider effect, we would see an effect on the Gini. But it doesn't happen, because these policies are widely ineffective or nulled with other policies pulling in the other direction. I don't deny that on paper the policies of the democrats look better. But in the end they are widely ineffective. That has a wide array of reasons, but the main one is, that the democrats are fearful of changing the system substantially. Bandaids are not helping if the bleed is too big.

The Yes minister scene is more supporting my view: killing all the poor wouldn't actually help, as they do the work (aka create all the wealth) in the first place. Which is mentioned in the sketch. So I don't know why you post it, you probably didn't really understand it.

The thing is: if the US wants real change of their system, they have to stop thinking in the way of either republicans or democrats. They have to break out of it, try actual new policies.

And look, europe and canada aren't on the same path, although often enough our politicians try to emulate the stupidiest stuff in the US. Britain though had their own Reagan called Thatcher, you see the effect around the same time. For Canada and France only projected data (single points) reaches back to that time, but shows they started with wealth distribution in the seventies around the place the US were, but they actually dropped the Gini - effective policies. For Germany I don't see such projected data, so I don't know. But as you can see the leading european countries and canada are now around the same place in Gini index - a much better (more equally distributed) place than the US. The US needs to learn that an alternative to the dem-rep death pendulum exists.

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/SI.POV.GINI?end=2023&locations=US-FR-CA-GB-DE&start=1963&view=chart

BTW, if you look closely, germany had their own version of the Thatcher/Reagan influence in form of Gerhard Schröder's "Agenda 2010". Which you can see the effect of from 1998 (when Schröder took office) to about 2005. Schröder was member of the center-left (yes left) party SPD, yet he was too strongly influenced by the neoliberal bullshit.

I think the US has the major problem of the two party system. The best justification for Dems many come up with is "but the Reps are worse". In most european countries this doesn't fly. After the Schröder fuckup the SPD lost a lot of support - without that flowing directly to the center-right (CDU), it strengthened other left parties like The Left and The Greens (directly after the Schröder era, now has some time gone). The US needs to understand that real solution lie outside of their two-party system.

Again, spare a moment of consideration for those who are alive today because of the ACA before tossing the bill aside as worthless.



KLXVER said:

People are indeed exhausted. When you keep calling someone racist just because of their skin color, then its a chance they will become exactly that. Thats why progressive activists who thinks the color of your skin is what defines you and you should always "act your color" has set race relations back 50 years in the US. Trying to undo everything Martin Luther King Jr. and many others have tried to do. Its not ALL on them, but being not racist isnt enough anymore. You have to be anti-racist and complain about everything all day every day. Its....well exhausting.

The color of a persons skin is one of the least interesting thing about someone imo. It doesnt tell me anything about who they are and what they like.

I am white, I have never in my life been called racist, so I'm sure it's not a skin color thing, I wonder what you've been doing to be called that...



TheRealSamusAran said:
KLXVER said:

People are indeed exhausted. When you keep calling someone racist just because of their skin color, then its a chance they will become exactly that. Thats why progressive activists who thinks the color of your skin is what defines you and you should always "act your color" has set race relations back 50 years in the US. Trying to undo everything Martin Luther King Jr. and many others have tried to do. Its not ALL on them, but being not racist isnt enough anymore. You have to be anti-racist and complain about everything all day every day. Its....well exhausting.

The color of a persons skin is one of the least interesting thing about someone imo. It doesnt tell me anything about who they are and what they like.

I am white, I have never in my life been called racist, so I'm sure it's not a skin color thing, I wonder what you've been doing to be called that...