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Bofferbrauer2 said:

I mean, try even to find a new SD card or USB stick with less than 64GB...

No problem. You can get SD cards and USB sticks down to 128 MB on Amazon & Co.

Super easy, barely an inconvenience.



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IcaroRibeiro said:
KLXVER said:

Well what else can they do to stop people from continuing to pirate games on their console?

They can't. It's a risky on their bussines. Every busisnes will have some degree of a risk

What they absolutely can't do is to punish a consumer removing their access over things we already own 

To make it clear

If someone steal groceries in a shop you don't go to their houses and take to the trash can other things they have already paid for 

No, but you are probably banned from the shop and cant buy other things you didnt steal from there.



KLXVER said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

This is lunacy, if I bought a console it's mine to do whatever I want. Whay you are telling me is you want to no longer be the owner of the console, but instead be licensed to use the console. You're are raging about software ownership while Nintendo is saying you no longer is a hardware owner, you are merely an user who bought the right to use the console. What next? They will tell you cannot resell your console? That your console can only be used for as long as they want? 

Thats kinda how it is though. Just because you own something doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it. Just like just because you own a gun doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it.

By the same logic, just because you are combating piracy doesn't mean you can take away the ownership from your customers, much less do it whenever you want. Not just because of ethical concerns, but because they'd be opening themselves to a boatload of financial and legal troubles. There's going to be hell to pay if they decide to implement this, no decent consumer protection law is going to allow that.

KLXVER said:

No, but you are probably banned from the shop and cant buy other things you didnt steal from there.

The issue is not the banning. The issue is not being able to access what you already paid, either the games you bought or the console outright.



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KLXVER said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

They can't. It's a risky on their bussines. Every busisnes will have some degree of a risk

What they absolutely can't do is to punish a consumer removing their access over things we already own 

To make it clear

If someone steal groceries in a shop you don't go to their houses and take to the trash can other things they have already paid for 

No, but you are probably banned from the shop and cant buy other things you didnt steal from there.

Which is fair. But Nintendo new policy states:

"You acknowledge that if you fail to comply with the foregoing restrictions Nintendo may render the Nintendo Account Services and/or the applicable Nintendo device permanently unusable in whole or in part"



Darwinianevolution said:
KLXVER said:

Thats kinda how it is though. Just because you own something doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it. Just like just because you own a gun doesnt mean you can do whatever you want with it.

By the same logic, just because you are combating piracy doesn't mean you can take away the ownership from your customers, much less do it whenever you want. Not just because of ethical concerns, but because they'd be opening themselves to a boatload of financial and legal troubles. There's going to be hell to pay if they decide to implement this, no decent consumer protection law is going to allow that.

You do something illegal with a thing you bought, you lose that thing. You rob a store with a knife you bought, the police will take away your knife. Im not sure why gamers should be above that law. Just dont steal games and you will be fine.



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KLXVER said:
Darwinianevolution said:

By the same logic, just because you are combating piracy doesn't mean you can take away the ownership from your customers, much less do it whenever you want. Not just because of ethical concerns, but because they'd be opening themselves to a boatload of financial and legal troubles. There's going to be hell to pay if they decide to implement this, no decent consumer protection law is going to allow that.

You do something illegal with a thing you bought, you lose that thing. You rob a store with a knife you bought, the police will take away your knife. Im not sure why gamers should be above that law. Just dont steal games and you will be fine.

Nintendo cannot do something illegal to combat something illegal, it's the law's prerogative to act upon that. Besides, if they can brick your system for violating their TOS, who's to say what they'll add in there in the future? We all know how quickly tech companies change their TOS nowadays, and how overreaching they are. If I decide to install Linux on my Switch, am I doing something illegal? No, but by Nintendo's logic, it might be interpreted as breaking the TOS, so no more Switch for me.



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Physical games are over, people just need to get over it. Nintendo honestly shouldn't even be offering this, physical games on a portable platform is stupid at this point. PS6 will not have physical games, neither will whatever the next XBox (PC in a box) is.

Nintendo is just stuck catering to this shrinking market because some parents must have a physical copy of a game for birthday/holiday gifts and Japan being a "trade in your game after a week" culture, but ultimately that's not going to sustain physical games and people are going to have to move on.

The economics just don't make sense. This is NOT an N64 type situation, the people trying to push that have no clue what they're talking about but even at a modest cost, it just doesn't make sense economically.

A 64MB cartridge likely still costs in the range of $6-$10 a pop, then you have the cost of packaging + shipping (lets say another $4-$5/copy there) and then the retailer takes their own cut ... that's $8-$10 there ... physical games can end up costing $15-$20+ per copy over a digital sale for a publisher. That means really a physical game should cost at least $15 more than a digital version of the game.

The 64GB only thing is likely Nintendo made a deal with the supplier and having one line of 64GB cards in the long run is the cheapest option, Nintendo doesn't want all these other sizes as the production numbers on physical cartridges is supposed to be small. The message is pretty clear that especially for 3rd party games, Nintendo just expects them to use the GameKey option most of the time.

The format the game is on isn't important, the game is. I sure as fuck wished during the freaking N64 era when I was dying from huge game droughts that we had the option for digital downloads + onboard system storage then. Being able to download even 250MB max games would've been a godsend and made the N64 a far, far better system. 



KLXVER said:
Darwinianevolution said:

By the same logic, just because you are combating piracy doesn't mean you can take away the ownership from your customers, much less do it whenever you want. Not just because of ethical concerns, but because they'd be opening themselves to a boatload of financial and legal troubles. There's going to be hell to pay if they decide to implement this, no decent consumer protection law is going to allow that.

You do something illegal with a thing you bought, you lose that thing. You rob a store with a knife you bought, the police will take away your knife. Im not sure why gamers should be above that law. Just dont steal games and you will be fine.

That's not how it works. The only illegal part here is specifically the infringement of copyright i.e. making use of an unauthorized copy of the game. If you use your TV to play pirated games or pirates movies you don't simply lose your TV

Likewise, using a Switch 2 to play pirated games does not mean lose acess to your Switch 

What Nintendo is proposing is absolutely illegal, at least in any country with some degree of customer protection 



Darwinianevolution said:
KLXVER said:

You do something illegal with a thing you bought, you lose that thing. You rob a store with a knife you bought, the police will take away your knife. Im not sure why gamers should be above that law. Just dont steal games and you will be fine.

Nintendo cannot do something illegal to combat something illegal, it's the law's prerogative to act upon that. Besides, if they can brick your system for violating their TOS, who's to say what they'll add in there in the future? We all know how quickly tech companies change their TOS nowadays, and how overreaching they are. If I decide to install Linux on my Switch, am I doing something illegal? No, but by Nintendo's logic, it might be interpreted as breaking the TOS, so no more Switch for me.

Well Im just talking about piracy of games. I dont think they should have the right to brick your console over something thats not illegal.



KLXVER said:
Darwinianevolution said:

Nintendo cannot do something illegal to combat something illegal, it's the law's prerogative to act upon that. Besides, if they can brick your system for violating their TOS, who's to say what they'll add in there in the future? We all know how quickly tech companies change their TOS nowadays, and how overreaching they are. If I decide to install Linux on my Switch, am I doing something illegal? No, but by Nintendo's logic, it might be interpreted as breaking the TOS, so no more Switch for me.

Well Im just talking about piracy of games. I dont think they should have the right to brick your console over something thats not illegal.

Even in that case, you still paid for the console, you cannot just pirate a console from thin air. You still bought the thing, and the idea they can just take it away is ludicrous. This applies to whatever software you purchased, you still bought it, so you should have access to it. Nintendo is not going to refund you your games if they ban your account.



You know it deserves the GOTY.

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