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Dark Souls made me unable to appreciate physical meele combat, when I play some action RPG I generally get bored before 10 hours



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IcaroRibeiro said:

Dark Souls made me unable to appreciate physical meele combat, when I play some action RPG I generally get bored before 10 hours

Oh I know the feeling, I'm very particular since Bloodbonre and mostly Sekiro. If perfect parrys aren't a mechanic in games these days then that game is doing somethign wrong or at least a perfect doge system is needed for compensation. You need parrys, perfect dodges, mikiri counters, jump counters and attacks that only work to something specific along those lines. It's why I love Sekiro so much and why I now love Clair Obscur. To sum it up, combat has to have a defined rythymm and you can't be doing stupid shit like combining stanima and posture into one bar as in Khazan but that rythymm is so important now and I don't think it'll ever go back the way it was before. You can't have Rise of The Ronin nonsense either with the blades making contact with flesh over and over again, ripping someone's guts out three times before they are dead so that clash of swords is also important. There's much combat games out there now that feel a weightless as an Elder Scrolls game. You need impact and Clair obscur has shown the need for deep bass sounds to go along with the factors I mentioned, that adds so much to the impact of a parry or counter. 



LegitHyperbole said:
Leynos said:

None. If I love a game in a genre so much, it makes me want to explore similar or other games in the genre.

Same and then I waste a chunk of money trying to find it and it doesn't hold up. I'm currently trying my best to not buy a JRPG after Clair Obscur cause I know I won't find one that hold up to the standard cemented here and instead I'm just gonna Replay the game on a fresh save file, why try and find another when the best is already in your hands. 

To me, the analogue would be playing Final Fantasy 6 or 7, deciding those games were the be-all, end-all, of RPGs, and then never playing another RPG after that. Thinking like that would have cheated me out of playing gems like Lunar, SaGa Frontier, Breath of Fire, Suikoden, etc, not to mention all the games that came out over the next quarter century. FF7 actually made me want to explore its genre of gaming more, and even if some of them weren't as highly polished, they were still enjoyable experiences in their own right, and some of which I ended up enjoying more than "the best," Lunar and Lunar 2 being an example of that. 

The genres where I didn't play a lot of other games in that genre after playing a certain game, were genres that weren't my favorite genres to begin with.



SanAndreasX said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Same and then I waste a chunk of money trying to find it and it doesn't hold up. I'm currently trying my best to not buy a JRPG after Clair Obscur cause I know I won't find one that hold up to the standard cemented here and instead I'm just gonna Replay the game on a fresh save file, why try and find another when the best is already in your hands. 

To me, the analogue would be playing Final Fantasy 6 or 7, deciding those games were the be-all, end-all, of RPGs, and then never playing another RPG after that. Thinking like that would have cheated me out of playing gems like Lunar, SaGa Frontier, Breath of Fire, Suikoden, etc, not to mention all the games that came out over the next quarter century. FF7 actually made me want to explore its genre of gaming more, and even if some of them weren't as highly polished, they were still enjoyable experiences in their own right, and some of which I ended up enjoying more than "the best," Lunar and Lunar 2 being an example of that. 

The genres where I didn't play a lot of other games in that genre after playing a certain game, were genres that weren't my favorite genres to begin with.

It's not about deciding, it's a fact that any TBS game without those real time mechanics will never feel right again. The time while waiting will now be very noticeable, even when they allow you to fast forward it. It'll take many months to cleanse the palette of E33 and then return to them, like I wouldn't go near Baldurs Gate 3 right now cause I know it'll feel lesser but I'll get there eventually once there is enough time in between. 



Srteetfighter2 on the SNES, Turbo even better.

I thought this would be my favorite genre at the time, so bought every SNES fighting games to try out. But boy was I disappointing by everyone of them.

It put me off from fighting games for 10 years until I tried Soul Caliber2, now that was good!



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LegitHyperbole said:
SanAndreasX said:

To me, the analogue would be playing Final Fantasy 6 or 7, deciding those games were the be-all, end-all, of RPGs, and then never playing another RPG after that. Thinking like that would have cheated me out of playing gems like Lunar, SaGa Frontier, Breath of Fire, Suikoden, etc, not to mention all the games that came out over the next quarter century. FF7 actually made me want to explore its genre of gaming more, and even if some of them weren't as highly polished, they were still enjoyable experiences in their own right, and some of which I ended up enjoying more than "the best," Lunar and Lunar 2 being an example of that. 

The genres where I didn't play a lot of other games in that genre after playing a certain game, were genres that weren't my favorite genres to begin with.

It's not about deciding, it's a fact that any TBS game without those real time mechanics will never feel right again. The time while waiting will now be very noticeable, even when they allow you to fast forward it. It'll take many months to cleanse the palette of E33 and then return to them, like I wouldn't go near Baldurs Gate 3 right now cause I know it'll feel lesser but I'll get there eventually once there is enough time in between. 

You have some quite weird views on games - it is silly to compare E33 and BG3, cause they are very, very different games, that are only very remotely in the same genre (if that). Hell, even comparing BG3 and something like PF:K or PF:WotR can be viewed as somewhat silly, though they are in same genre, since they are doing quite different things with different scope.



HoloDust said:
LegitHyperbole said:

It's not about deciding, it's a fact that any TBS game without those real time mechanics will never feel right again. The time while waiting will now be very noticeable, even when they allow you to fast forward it. It'll take many months to cleanse the palette of E33 and then return to them, like I wouldn't go near Baldurs Gate 3 right now cause I know it'll feel lesser but I'll get there eventually once there is enough time in between. 

You have some quite weird views on games - it is silly to compare E33 and BG3, cause they are very, very different games, that are only very remotely in the same genre (if that). Hell, even comparing BG3 and something like PF:K or PF:WotR can be viewed as somewhat silly, though they are in same genre, since they are doing quite different things with different scope.

Oh I know. Divinity OS2 Is one of my 2nd favourite game of all time and it's very different than Clair Obscur and for very different reasons but would I play DOS2 after E33? I think I would find issue with the turn based combat, esspecially the fact that the battles can take 45 minutes even though there is faaaar more strategy involved, that sense of slowness....or perhaps you're right and I'm over thinking it, maybe Baldurs Gate 3 would be the perfect game right now and... hmm, yes. I may actually to that 😅 



LegitHyperbole said:
HoloDust said:

You have some quite weird views on games - it is silly to compare E33 and BG3, cause they are very, very different games, that are only very remotely in the same genre (if that). Hell, even comparing BG3 and something like PF:K or PF:WotR can be viewed as somewhat silly, though they are in same genre, since they are doing quite different things with different scope.

Oh I know. Divinity OS2 Is one of my 2nd favourite game of all time and it's very different than Clair Obscur and for very different reasons but would I play DOS2 after E33? I think I would find issue with the turn based combat, esspecially the fact that the battles can take 45 minutes even though there is faaaar more strategy involved, that sense of slowness....or perhaps you're right and I'm over thinking it, maybe Baldurs Gate 3 would be the perfect game right now and... hmm, yes. I may actually to that 😅 

Given how much you like Divinity, you will probably really like BG3, since (unfortunately, though it depends on who you ask) it's really more of a Divinity: Forgotten Realms Edition.



Bethesda peaked with Morrowind.

Everything they release since that game is just dumbed down and lackluster (talking about gameplay, the visuals in Morrowind do look dated).

And yes I see Bethesda 1st person RPGs as its own genre.



Metroidvania after Super Metroid.

Nothing has been as great to me since.




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