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Under Trumo, The world will be...

More peaceful 10 25.00%
 
Less peaceful 15 37.50%
 
Much the same 8 20.00%
 
A nuclear wasteland 1 2.50%
 
Something I can't predict. 6 15.00%
 
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Jumpin said:

Trump will probably surrender in Ukraine, as Trump is a coward and his supporters are weaklings and cowards. But that doesn’t mean Ukraine will surrender.

Any 18-year-old who is being shouted off the bus by a DI at San Diego's Receiving Company already has more military experience than over a century's worth of Trumps combined.



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He will make the US the envy of the world once again. God bless Trump and Elon.



Ayla said:

He will make the US the envy of the world once again. God bless Trump and Elon.

Idk about that but they can't do worse than Biden. 



Tober said:

Last time he was in power it certainly was more peaceful. Will it this time? Depends how eager and how much money the Military Industry Complex wants to make.

That myth still going?

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/01/20/trump-the-anti-war-president-was-always-a-myth/

But with four years of accumulated evidence all pointing in the same direction, it’s time to kill this myth once and for all. Sure, Donald Trump didn’t launch a new all-out ground invasion on the scale of Iraq. But he did escalate conflict in every theatre of war he inherited, repeatedly brought the country to the brink of new wars, and recklessly threw around U.S. power with no regard for the many lives it would cost. The “anti-war” candidate, like those before him, was a pro-war president.

Escalating Inherited Wars — Despite repeated PR stunts, Trump did not “bring the troops home” or “end endless wars.” In fact, Trump consistently added fuel to the fire, increasing troop levels, deepening reliance on private contractors, and dramatically scaling up aerial warfare. Where an end to endless war requires repealing the 2001 and 2002 Authorizations for Use of Military Force, Trump expanded conflicts under both. His term saw four consecutive years of growth of an already out-of-control Pentagon budget. And loosening even the minimal restrictions that were already in place, he expanded the United States’ deadly and unaccountable drone wars.

Not only did Trump not end the wars he promised to, he worsened them, dropping more bombs, stoking further conflict, undermining the prospects of peace, and massively increasing the rate of civilian deaths.

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Plus he escalated the road to Oct 7 with the Abraham accords and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Both reasons cited by Hamas to go forward with Oct 7.

This time he has a much worse situation in the ME to pour more gas on the fires. And already has nominated candidates that don't perceive Muslims or Palestinians as people.


Not even 'at home' did he make it more peaceful

The War at Home — Communities of color have suffered under the thumb of police violence and “security” surveillance since well before Trump. But Trump took these wars even further, escalating Islamophobia, terrorizing migrants and asylum-seekers at the Southern border, violently repressing racial justice protesters, and so much more.



Nothing will change.
Trump like all presidents are more or less beholden to what congress pushes and the politics on the world stage.

The fear that any president will "destroy America" is pretty baseless, that claim has been thrown around for centuries, it's simply politics.
Plus Trump doesn't have a good track record, he couldn't even build a wall to keep illegal immigrants out during his term like he promised, yet blamed illegal immigrants on the Democrats. - If Trump did his job it would be a non-issue to start with.

And whatever big policies Trump pushes during his term, will just get undone with the next democrat who comes to power if it doesn't work. See: Obama care.

In saying that, I am going to enjoy the drama that comes out of the Trump administration, the last time he was in power it was great and free entertainment, the world took the USA less seriously, but it definitely was good entertainment.




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Pemalite said:

Nothing will change.
Trump like all presidents are more or less beholden to what congress pushes and the politics on the world stage.

The fear that any president will "destroy America" is pretty baseless, that claim has been thrown around for centuries, it's simply politics.
Plus Trump doesn't have a good track record, he couldn't even build a wall to keep illegal immigrants out during his term like he promised, yet blamed illegal immigrants on the Democrats. - If Trump did his job it would be a non-issue to start with.

And whatever big policies Trump pushes during his term, will just get undone with the next democrat who comes to power if it doesn't work. See: Obama care.

In saying that, I am going to enjoy the drama that comes out of the Trump administration, the last time he was in power it was great and free entertainment, the world took the USA less seriously, but it definitely was good entertainment.

Regardless, Europe is worried about Trump and his lack of support for Ukraine.  They are also worried what this could mean for the political landscape of Europe.  Will there be an underhanded deal with Putin?  will Trump give NATO a hard time?



SvennoJ said:
Tober said:

Last time he was in power it certainly was more peaceful. Will it this time? Depends how eager and how much money the Military Industry Complex wants to make.

That myth still going?

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/2021/01/20/trump-the-anti-war-president-was-always-a-myth/

But with four years of accumulated evidence all pointing in the same direction, it’s time to kill this myth once and for all. Sure, Donald Trump didn’t launch a new all-out ground invasion on the scale of Iraq. But he did escalate conflict in every theatre of war he inherited, repeatedly brought the country to the brink of new wars, and recklessly threw around U.S. power with no regard for the many lives it would cost. The “anti-war” candidate, like those before him, was a pro-war president.

Escalating Inherited Wars — Despite repeated PR stunts, Trump did not “bring the troops home” or “end endless wars.” In fact, Trump consistently added fuel to the fire, increasing troop levels, deepening reliance on private contractors, and dramatically scaling up aerial warfare. Where an end to endless war requires repealing the 2001 and 2002 Authorizations for Use of Military Force, Trump expanded conflicts under both. His term saw four consecutive years of growth of an already out-of-control Pentagon budget. And loosening even the minimal restrictions that were already in place, he expanded the United States’ deadly and unaccountable drone wars.

Not only did Trump not end the wars he promised to, he worsened them, dropping more bombs, stoking further conflict, undermining the prospects of peace, and massively increasing the rate of civilian deaths.

...



Plus he escalated the road to Oct 7 with the Abraham accords and moving the US embassy to Jerusalem. Both reasons cited by Hamas to go forward with Oct 7.

This time he has a much worse situation in the ME to pour more gas on the fires. And already has nominated candidates that don't perceive Muslims or Palestinians as people.


Not even 'at home' did he make it more peaceful

The War at Home — Communities of color have suffered under the thumb of police violence and “security” surveillance since well before Trump. But Trump took these wars even further, escalating Islamophobia, terrorizing migrants and asylum-seekers at the Southern border, violently repressing racial justice protesters, and so much more.

A written opinion piece can go either way. I could copy paste a different opinion piece from someone else and present it as truth. It does not change my view or make it myth.

The most brutal conflict that he inherited was ISIS. He stopped that pretty quickly by having the middle east de-fund them. Every US President drops bombs all over the place. I believe no one more than Obama. Yes I believe Trump's first term was more peaceful than Obama before him and Biden after him. Does that make him a peaceful President? No, none of them are. But I did not claim he was.



Tober said:

A written opinion piece can go either way. I could copy paste a different opinion piece from someone else and present it as truth. It does not change my view or make it myth.

The most brutal conflict that he inherited was ISIS. He stopped that pretty quickly by having the middle east de-fund them. Every US President drops bombs all over the place. I believe no one more than Obama. Yes I believe Trump's first term was more peaceful than Obama before him and Biden after him. Does that make him a peaceful President? No, none of them are. But I did not claim he was.

Isis never stopped
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/03/18/trump-isis-terrorists-defeated-foreign-policy-225816/

But I'll give you a slight lull in the death count during his presidency



2016-2020 saw fewer deaths compared to Obama.

However no change in number of armed conflicts


And he did set up the conditions for the current wars in the ME with his policies. The Abraham accords are deeply unpopular among the populations and seen as a ploy to sideline the Palestinian issue.

https://responsiblestatecraft.org/abraham-accords-peace-middle-east/

Almost every assumption that undergirded the Israel-Arab normalization agreements was disastrously wrong, and now we are paying the price.

That's Trump's baby, instead of helping towards a solution on the ME he sharpened the divides and fueled the tension leading to Oct 7.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/dec/05/donald-trump/trump-claims-he-made-peace-in-the-middle-east-with/

The blood of 1,200+ Israelis, 3,600+ Lebanese and over 44,000 Palestinians is partly on Trump's hands.

https://time.com/6339889/cancel-abraham-accords/





There might be less war, but in the process there will be more death.

Americans might kill less people in the world, thus less war. But, authoritarian countries will take advantage and seize more power, killing anyone who might fight for freedom.

These countries build up their strength and then start wars when their preferred candidate doesn't get elected in opposing countries.

When Hitler took over Austria and Czechoslovakia, there wasn't a war and not much bloodshed. But the consequences were felt the world over.



Trump policies are short term and short sighted.
He will push for treaties that would make him look good, but make peace at best till end of his term.

That won't have a major shift on how peaceful world is, except I do fear for one disaster scenario. If Trump pulls US supports from Ukraine and Europeans move in to compensate - France and UK discuss possibility of sending troops - Putin may be encouraged to think he can take them. Russia would in the least expand sabotage (like the Baltic Sea cable breaks by Chinese ships) or at worst invade Baltic countries, if Putin believes Trump would ignore Article 5.
Even then I don't expect a WWIII, at most double what Europe has now, but this is the worst expansion of war that I see as remotely realistic.