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Forums - Politics Discussion - Dragon Age: The veilguard reviews at 83 Opencritic/84 Metacritic.

 

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Will play 9 18.00%
 
Will not play 26 52.00%
 
Will play on sale 12 24.00%
 
I don't like Dragon age. 3 6.00%
 
Total:50

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QF-Kd2BBpx8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDRVdfzHXDI

All hyperbole in all likelihood. Reminds me of shitty DA 2 in some respect.



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JRPGfan said:
Leynos said:

Posts like this make me wish being gay was airborne so people like you would catch it. Most games use some sort of consulting firm. It's how you avoid accidental nazis symbols or how Nintendo could have avoided having to reprint OoT on N64 due to the fire temple music. It's not forcing agendas. It's just trying to avoid a fuck up.

Theres options to play as a Transgender Rook (with more dialog options ect). (ontop of pronounes/gender, topsurgery scars in character creator)
And lots of the characters ingame, talk as if transgender apparently.

Maybe its not "forced onto you (or a agenda)", like you can just try your best to ignore all that stuff.

Spot the differnce, in character models? Isabela isn't allowed to be curvy or have boobs anymore.

What the hell have they done with Isabela lol



JRPGfan said:
Leynos said:

Posts like this make me wish being gay was airborne so people like you would catch it. Most games use some sort of consulting firm. It's how you avoid accidental nazis symbols or how Nintendo could have avoided having to reprint OoT on N64 due to the fire temple music. It's not forcing agendas. It's just trying to avoid a fuck up.

Theres options to play as a Transgender Rook (with more dialog options ect). (ontop of pronounes/gender, topsurgery scars in character creator)
And lots of the characters ingame, talk as if transgender apparently.

Maybe its not "forced onto you (or a agenda)", like you can just try your best to ignore all that stuff.

Spot the differnce, in character models? Isabela isn't allowed to be curvy or have boobs anymore.

Seems pretty forced to me. Instant no buy on that alone.



People seem to think the combat at least is pretty good in this.
So while the writing and story might not be super fantastic (going from what ppl say).

This is a "I'll try it, if it goes on a sale" level of game for me.
Once its like 15-20$, I might bite the bullet and try it.

Maybe I'm being to harsh on this.



JRPGfan said:
Leynos said:

Posts like this make me wish being gay was airborne so people like you would catch it. Most games use some sort of consulting firm. It's how you avoid accidental nazis symbols or how Nintendo could have avoided having to reprint OoT on N64 due to the fire temple music. It's not forcing agendas. It's just trying to avoid a fuck up.

Theres options to play as a Transgender Rook (with more dialog options ect). (ontop of pronounes/gender, topsurgery scars in character creator)
And lots of the characters ingame, talk as if transgender apparently.

Maybe its not "forced onto you (or a agenda)", like you can just try your best to ignore all that stuff.

Spot the differnce, in character models? Isabela isn't allowed to be curvy or have boobs anymore.

Oh. Nothing says fantasy like bringing real world politics into a world you're trying to escape the real world politics from. Idk why this makes me angry, I don't much care if there are trans people in it or you can play as trans but the pro noun talk kicks me in the balls. Makes me wanna avoid it. I don't think they understand Gen Z and gen Alpha who are raging madly against this identity politics stuff too. There will be a lot of hate directed at this game, I can tell it now, I'm pretty forgiving but damn that pronoun talk in a fantasy world really gets me.   



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It's strange that I'm playing Baldurs Gate 3 now, it has non binary options and you can have whatever genitals you want on whatever body you want yet here they write in a line of dialogue about using pronouns and it's made the game repulsive to me. When will they learn they are doing more harm than good to LGBT. So much harm, I wish they'd cut it out.



Once the game gets into the hands of reviews that weren't cherry picked by EA, this game's score is going to drop significantly. It will end up in the 70s. It was going to pick this game up at a steep discount but I'm not interested in all anymore. Which hurts as a Dragon Age fan that put hundreds of hours into each of the previous games. The Skill Up review was scathing. While I tend to disagree with Skill Up, his reviews are very detailed. So even when likes a game, I can tell that I won't. His Veilguard preview is actually a good example of this, a lot things he viewed as positives were red flags to me. His final review bore that out.

Edit: Just saw "Isabella". Between that and the character creator, the developers at Bioware seem to have issues with breasts.

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LegitHyperbole said:
JRPGfan said:

This.... I'm waiting for the player base feedback, and the user scores.
I don't believe (or rather trust) alot of these reviewers that use pronounes stuff, and wave their flags around.

"It has DEI... omg 10 out 10, best game ever!"

When its a broken mess, with horrible game play and story.

Nope... waiting on user feedback.


Look at something like Star Wars Outlaws, its currently at 7,5 out of 10.
But early reviews were higher than its current score. 
It has way to many 9 and 10 scores, for the quality it has, by reviewers.




Oh, there is that angle and all. IGN have been sucking the games dick for sure. But it's hard to tell these days, Baldurs Gate 3 had all this stuff and it reviewed great and was praised my gamers as a great fame and oddly this DEI stuff was never brought up, I suppose it's how it's implemented but I do see journalists bumping it from that angle also. Indeed, best wait to see what the gamers think. 

Baldur's Gate was an exceptional game. It was clear that they put the game's quality above all else. It was great game that happened to be diverse. It wasn't game that focused on diversity above all else. Veilguard seems to care more diversity and real world issues than telling a well crafted story set in Thedas. Shale was a female dwarf that was turned into Golem that looked male. No one cared about that. The fanbase thought Shale was cool, that was back in Dragon Age Origins which was 15 year ago at this point. Dragon Age was never a conservative franchise. It's not gaming example but the best comp I can think of is Season 1 of House of the Dragon vs The Rings of Power. Both shows faced the same criticims (woke/etc.) prior to release. After release, House of the Dragon was good so most of the complaints faded away. However the same wasn't true for The Rings of Power. 

Side note: HotD Season 2 was meh. 

Side note 2: Just about everyone woman I've dated couldn't create themselves in the Veilguard Character Creator. So I guess they don't care about female representation.



JRPGfan said:
Leynos said:

Posts like this make me wish being gay was airborne so people like you would catch it. Most games use some sort of consulting firm. It's how you avoid accidental nazis symbols or how Nintendo could have avoided having to reprint OoT on N64 due to the fire temple music. It's not forcing agendas. It's just trying to avoid a fuck up.

Spot the differnce, in character models? Isabela isn't allowed to be curvy or have boobs anymore.

Im not even surprised, I actually expect this kind of thing to happen, it just became the norm. I have some theories of why this happens but difficult to prove. It's a real turn off for me when I see games do this kind of thing because you can easily see it's forced, it just screams in your face. Like how the group of heroes look like an american corporate advertisement. But if this is the game they wanted to do and their bosses agreed with it then good for them.



EnricoPallazzo said:
JRPGfan said:

Spot the differnce, in character models? Isabela isn't allowed to be curvy or have boobs anymore.

Im not even surprised, I actually expect this kind of thing to happen, it just became the norm. I have some theories of why this happens but difficult to prove. It's a real turn off for me when I see games do this kind of thing because you can easily see it's forced, it just screams in your face. Like how the group of heroes look like an american corporate advertisement. But if this is the game they wanted to do and their bosses agreed with it then good for them.

Why do they hate boobs though, like boobs are some big evil and they must be no larger than an A cup 🤔.  It's perplexing.