Personally, I think console gamers are not going to see significant fidelity jumps unless they have a high-quality panel.  Advanced lighting shines with OLED.  Increased resolution shines with 65+ inch panels.  Increased framerates require 120 hz (or better).  I don't think the ps6 is going to be jump over the ps5 on a standard panel (60 hz, 40 inch, LCD).  Unfortunately, I think high end GPUs require high end panels to get a real benefit.    

The significant jumps will be in VR. There's plenty room to catch up there.

As for the PS5 Pro on TV, the most simple use case is running fidelity mode graphics in performance mode frame rates.


There's still plenty other stuff to improve, physics, ray tracing, volumetric water / fog, destructible / interactive terrain. I'm glad we're reaching the end of resolution upgrades, maybe finally devs can start focusing on interactivity again.

Only777 isn't wrong about hackers on PC.
I started a DS2 run and I'm getting invaded on the 2nd area with people with the Roaring Spear and Velstadt's armor. Crazy.

For equal or better performance, you need a 4070.
Those are like 550$ or above, by themselves.
You still need MB, RAM, CPU, PSU, SSD, PC Case, CPU cooler,.... ect.

Honestly your not matching a PS5pro's performance, at its price with a build it yourself PC.
(much less a pre buildt one)

A GTA Dev joked about 2027 for GTA6 on PC.
PS5pro is going to be the best place to play it, likely 2years or so.

If you have a decent CPU, and a 4070 or better GPU, your likely already at or better than a PS5pro level of performance.
You can do that for less than "a couple of grand", though still a good deal more than what a PS5pro costs.

Pre-built the cheapest I see is this

https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-rog-g16chr-gaming-pc-grey-intel-core-i7-14700f-1tb-ssd-32gb-ram-rtx-4070-win-11-only-at-best-buy/17685911

CAD 2,100 (700 dollars off atm, on sale) and has terrible reviews.

PS5 Pro is CAD 960 here, the drive CAD 100. But that includes a controller (which are CAD 95 here now)

So yeah, about half the price of a pre-built (crappy) PC.

What do you think of the video I posted here:
https://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9545899

Well it's not a 4070 to start with, plus 8GB VRAM won't match the PS5 capabilities.
Still missing mouse, KB, OS which do come with a pre-built.

Intel i5-12600KF Processor, MSI Z790-P Pro Motherboard, G.Skill Ripjaws V 16GB DDR4-3200 Combo: https://micro.center/568424
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060Ti Founders Edition 8GB Graphics Card: https://micro.center/ee11e3
Inland QN450 1TB M.2 SSD: https://micro.center/d2d52a
PowerSpec 650 Watt 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply: https://micro.center/ng8j
Cooler Master Hyper 212 Spectrum V3 Air Cooler: https://micro.center/38c5c5
Inland X1 Tempered Glass ATX Mid-Tower Computer Case: https://micro.center/c8f7b9

Checking that build on newegg.ca

• Est. Total: $1,464.00

The GPU ships from China, probably gonna be brokerage fees on top and take up to a month.
Add KB+Mouse+OS, time to click together, install, troubleshoot.

That's the cheapest options with lots of savings.



How much extra is the Best Buy pre-built compared to newegg.ca

• Est. Total:$2,015.76 (I included KB+Mouse+OS, all cheapest options, to make it comparable, CAD 212 in savings)
  

So you save CAD 85 to put it together yourself after waiting for shit to arrive from different places, including China, and likely getting hit by brokerage fees, and having to deal with different warranties.

I guess you can click and search until you find more deals to get it cheaper. I'll pick up a pro on Nov 2nd which also instantly plays the games I own instead of having to wait for non optimal PC ports ;)

I have had nothing but bad experiences with Purolator, UPS, anything that comes from across the border is cursed. Even the UPS delivery man apologizes when he comes to deliver something with another nonsense CAD 100+ brokerage fee attached, ready to take it back for refusal...
The only delivery service I trust is Amazon's own fleet. As soon as it says 3rd party shipping, I'm out. Ordering a list like that from all over the place will trigger my anxiety for a month :/

I think that video is more than a month old, before PS5pro was out.
There is no testing, or anything, all he does is look at the CU's inside of a AMD card that best matches the PS5, and adds around 40% performance to it.
To estimate were a PS5pro would be, performance wise compaired to a PC, with a GPU.

He calls the CPU old, but dis-regards that some CPU heavy tasks on PC side, are off-loaded onto custom hardware units, on the PS5.
So the CPU in a PS5 is punching way above its weight, you need a beefier CPU on a PC to come close to PS5 levels of cpu performance.
(which granted he does do, since theres a hefty short time limited sale bundle on cpu+mb atm for him)

He ends up using DDR4 system memory at 3200 speeds.
He "saves" money by using a much Slower SSD at only 1 TB (instead of 2 that comes with a PS5pro).
(quoted as saying "you can always upgrade lateron")

He ends up saying a Radeon 6800 gpu is "close enough", to a PS5pro.
Ignoreing that it doesn't have AI based upscaleing, and its roughly like 20% slower than the PS5pro GPU.

He also titles the video "700$ PC.." ect, but spends like 850$ (because blu-ray drive and stand for the PS5pro, also cost some money).
(while not getting a disc drive for his pc build)

And he says just pirate windows to keep prices down.


And all of that, he still isn't able to make a PC equal to a PS5pro, for 850$.

What do I think of the video?
Hes a very PC focused guy, with his own channel, that wants to showcase PCs in the best possible light.
Hes not doing what he set out to do though.  (and I like the guy, I watch his content often)

Because of AI upscaling, I think on PC, you would need DLSS to compair.
The closest GPU thats equal or better than a PS5pro, is a nvidia 4070 (the base one, not a super or ti or whatever).
However those are expensive, like 550$ alone for the GPU.
If you want a small win, vs a PS5pro, you need to accept that your gonna end up spending like 1000$+ for it
Now that extra cost, is going to be saved over time, from not having to pay for online play and stuff like that.
So over time, it'll probably cost same or less than getting a PS5pro.
The trade offs, are its not as "hands off" and "chill" as just using a console is.

RTX 5090 rumored to be as pricey as $2500, that's 3x PS5 Pro. $1500 for 5080.
High end cards are getting ridiculously expensive.