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JRPGfan said:
LegitHyperbole said:

A Utopia? A techno dystopia? A return to isolationist nations? Post apocalypse? More of the same with a different coat of paint?

Both in the near term, next five to ten years. And long term, after a decade or so. What do you think the world will look like in as much detail or as little as you'd like to go into.

I wonder how people are gauging things or if it's of thought at all.

Within 10 years there will be AGI (Artificial general intelligence), that can make redundant large amounts of the workforce.
Ironically I think, the physical jobs, that demand humans do x actions, will be the last to go.
I could see a lot of desk jobs, go.  Like if you work in front of a computer all day, your job is at risk imo.

I don't think brick layers and plumbers ect...., will get replaced by robots/AGI first.
It will be the computer/desk jobs, that a AI can do, at near or better than typical humans will be able to.
Which will likely be sometime within the next 10 years.

Within 100 years, or maybe even just 50years time,... it could be every job.
There could be robot cleaners, plumbers, brick layers too (think "I, Robot" type models, that just do all the work).

Society will need to adapt / change for something like this.

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I'll give you a scary thought. Take into account global warming and it's threat and now think at what point along this timeliness do the 1% not need the 99% anymore when AI and robotics can do most of everything and they can keep the lifestyles they're used to, perhaps even better..



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LegitHyperbole said:
JRPGfan said:

Within 10 years there will be AGI (Artificial general intelligence), that can make redundant large amounts of the workforce.
Ironically I think, the physical jobs, that demand humans do x actions, will be the last to go.
I could see a lot of desk jobs, go.  Like if you work in front of a computer all day, your job is at risk imo.

I don't think brick layers and plumbers ect...., will get replaced by robots/AGI first.
It will be the computer/desk jobs, that a AI can do, at near or better than typical humans will be able to.
Which will likely be sometime within the next 10 years.

Within 100 years, or maybe even just 50years time,... it could be every job.
There could be robot cleaners, plumbers, brick layers too (think "I, Robot" type models, that just do all the work).

Society will need to adapt / change for something like this.

.

I'll give you a scary thought. Take into account global warming and it's threat and now think at what point along this timeliness do the 1% not need the 99% anymore when AI and robotics can do most of everything and they can keep the lifestyles they're used to, perhaps even better..

Not much value in haveing all the power and money, if your the only person left on the planet.
Imagine all you do, is controll a bunch of robots....

Theres no entertainment.. no other humans to talk too.... just your friendly Ai bot.
I don't think the super elite have much reason to kill off vast amounts of the population.

I wouldn't put it past the US or China, trying to depopulate the world, though a war or virus though.
Maybe WW3 wipes out like 90% of the human population and 10,000 years from now, the planet is right back on track :p
Bacteria, fungus figoured out how to eat plastic, give it some time, most of that will be gone, and some of those forever compounds we poluted the world with as well.



JRPGfan said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I'll give you a scary thought. Take into account global warming and it's threat and now think at what point along this timeliness do the 1% not need the 99% anymore when AI and robotics can do most of everything and they can keep the lifestyles they're used to, perhaps even better..

Not much value in haveing all the power and money, if your the only person left on the planet.
Imagine all you do, is controll a bunch of robots....

Theres no entertainment.. no other humans to talk too.... just your friendly Ai bot.
I don't think the super elite have much reason to kill off vast amounts of the population.

I wouldn't put it past the US or China, trying to depopulate the world, though a war or virus though.
Maybe WW3 wipes out like 90% of the human population and 10,000 years from now, the planet is right back on track :p
Bacteria, fungus figoured out how to eat plastic, give it some time, most of that will be gone, and some of those forever compounds we poluted the world with as well.

The number is in the tens of millions for the rich and elite class. They'd have eachother. A virus would also never have a 100% kill rate, they might be able to swing something that would be say 66% effective and this keeps the human population high enough to sustain.

Another thing I can see them do if to make a certain percentage of the populations infertile with CRISPR which would trigger population collapse. Not as bad as Children of Men but enough to bring the population down. 

I'm confident there is peope in power and wealth that are or have floated these ideas. If you look cloesly you can see there are a LOT of accelerationists in power. Most people in power are sociopaths and I have no doubt that they'd kill off the masses to save themselves. My point is they could save themselves and th eplanet from Global warming and keep their lifestyles intact with Ai and robotics and that's a scary thought. 



JRPGfan said:
LegitHyperbole said:

I'll give you a scary thought. Take into account global warming and it's threat and now think at what point along this timeliness do the 1% not need the 99% anymore when AI and robotics can do most of everything and they can keep the lifestyles they're used to, perhaps even better..

Not much value in haveing all the power and money, if your the only person left on the planet.
Imagine all you do, is controll a bunch of robots....

Theres no entertainment.. no other humans to talk too.... just your friendly Ai bot.
I don't think the super elite have much reason to kill off vast amounts of the population.

I wouldn't put it past the US or China, trying to depopulate the world, though a war or virus though.
Maybe WW3 wipes out like 90% of the human population and 10,000 years from now, the planet is right back on track :p
Bacteria, fungus figoured out how to eat plastic, give it some time, most of that will be gone, and some of those forever compounds we poluted the world with as well.

It's coming https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68927816 (plastic eating bacteria)

The Earth still has 5 billion years left before the sun becomes a Red Dwarf. (Although the last 2 - 3 billion years will be unstable) Plenty time for more civilizations to arise.

But you're right, what's the point of being 'superior' if there's no one left to feel 'superior' to. More likely the super elite simply stop caring bout the masses (or even less then they do now)

Something like Otherland can happen as well, where the super elite retreat into the virtual realm. Upload you consciousness to the cloud.



SvennoJ said:
JRPGfan said:

Not much value in haveing all the power and money, if your the only person left on the planet.
Imagine all you do, is controll a bunch of robots....

Theres no entertainment.. no other humans to talk too.... just your friendly Ai bot.
I don't think the super elite have much reason to kill off vast amounts of the population.

I wouldn't put it past the US or China, trying to depopulate the world, though a war or virus though.
Maybe WW3 wipes out like 90% of the human population and 10,000 years from now, the planet is right back on track :p
Bacteria, fungus figoured out how to eat plastic, give it some time, most of that will be gone, and some of those forever compounds we poluted the world with as well.

It's coming https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-68927816 (plastic eating bacteria)

The Earth still has 5 billion years left before the sun becomes a Red Dwarf. (Although the last 2 - 3 billion years will be unstable) Plenty time for more civilizations to arise.

But you're right, what's the point of being 'superior' if there's no one left to feel 'superior' to. More likely the super elite simply stop caring bout the masses (or even less then they do now)

Something like Otherland can happen as well, where the super elite retreat into the virtual realm. Upload you consciousness to the cloud.

Can't retreat to the digital realm unless the masses are gone, or under major control. Too much risk of having the masses rebel otherwise, and you can't risk them hacking that digital world or physically destroying what keeps that digital realm operating.

I'd say the opposite is more likely. Get the masses under complete control in a Matrix, in which their real bodies can be kept close together in tight quarters, taking up little space, especially if it's vertical space like the fields of the real world in The Matrix. That would allow the elites to own the entire world, other than a smaller island where the masses could be kept.

But then why even have the masses, period? If it had anything to do with the elites entering that Matrix at times, why not just make billions of NPC's instead? If the elite wanted to feel superior, just make the NPC's dumb, and if they want a serious challenge, make the NPC's some form of AI.

In a world that keeps becoming more and more about efficiency, keeping the masses around in the future wouldn't make sense for the elite. Unless they had a change of heart, or were sociopaths instead of psychopaths, there would be no good reason to keep the masses around.



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EricHiggin said:

What about Fusion? i know, i know, it's always 20 years away lol

Eric, here you go, DOE to the rescue!

U.S. Department of Energy Announces Nearly $30 Million for 13 Projects to Enable Commercial Fusion Energy

Projects will Develop ‘First Wall’ Materials Essential for Fusion Power Plants

https://arpa-e.energy.gov/news-and-media/press-releases/us-department-energy-announces-nearly-30-million-13-projects-enable



^ Nice one.



BFR said:

What about Fusion? i know, i know, it's always 20 years away lol

Eric, here you go, DOE to the rescue!

U.S. Department of Energy Announces Nearly $30 Million for 13 Projects to Enable Commercial Fusion Energy

Projects will Develop ‘First Wall’ Materials Essential for Fusion Power Plants

https://arpa-e.energy.gov/news-and-media/press-releases/us-department-energy-announces-nearly-30-million-13-projects-enable

That sounds great, BFR. I hope that we can move forward with clean energy



Amazon are funding small nuclear reactors, the size of a shipping container to power data centers for AI. I suspect we will get more clean energy onnthe pie chart but it'll most likely still be fission in the near future.



Gettysburg4 said:

So do I ;)

But the thing is I can't emphasise enough how much diversity interferes with being able to curtail elite dysfunction (hey there is a reason it was top down pushed on the population, even if it seems now there is grass roots support for it - from the brainwashed).

A homogenous population tends to largely agree on how things should be run - which is to say, the gap between one side and another within society tends to be much narrower, as there are no "new entrants" a marginalised view can pull to itself to bolster its appearance of support.

The elite that had burrowed into UK, France and America were not benign, and nor were the elite in charge of Germany during its Weimar period, or the elite that took control of Russia during its revolution.

Despite whatever criticism could be levelled at them (and people should understand the people that told them the history they believe in, are not benign actors themselves, with a severe interest in casting eyes elsewhere than on themselves, while draping themselves in unearned merit), the leaders of Italy, and Germany in ww2 were *sincerely* interested in advancing their people and doing good for them. 

And this is important because this *does not* describe the leadership in the West through the 20th century, nor today, nor the leadership that was in control of the Soviet Union (who had a passionate hatred for the people and their customs.. note the persecution of Christians, execution of the Holodomor and more).

So these people have always been bad, but now have a society that is unable to in any way resist or control them, heck more than half the population cannot even point to who these people are, and identify their projects, or articulate why they are bad. And these people want Whites gone, and Christians gone, and they have no genuine love for anyone else but their own set either..

..and now gifted control of societies and tech that enable them to.. they can do whatever they like with the world and its people. Enslavement and genocide are the only possibilities because the force that can hold these people to account: high IQ, homogenous societies, filled with a people who know who they are, and have a belief in protecting their interests, have already been dissolved by diversity and anti-racism programming.

It is no coincidence the only society that can muster enough force to see them off, or stand as a potential rival, has exactly the strength and self-belief and sense of self they have outlawed in the West as racism.

Islam has the bodies, but not the tech and engineers and scientists of the Jews and Chinese. 

...But think about it.. who can hold the globalist elite to account? The left (unironically financed by the same elite) would claim that they could (just as soon as they put down the racists), but where does that lead but to civil war and collapse? Actionable by the same elite at any time. Islamists? The high tech weapons and manufacturing capability is outside their reach and in elite hands. Chinese? Maybe. Anyone else? Too riven by internal conflict or too small or too behind in tech, manufacturing and ability.

No global body is holding these entities to account, because they furnish their members and furnish the public their impressions of the same institutions via their media and non-profits.

The left ultimately destroyed the ability to make an equal world by being fooled into attacking their own people, who, despite their faults, were always a basically good people, who had- when they had sufficient unity and homogeneity, the ability (even if latent) to confront the elite and prevent the elite from going too far.

This is mr gettysburg trololo'ing, while joyful with a zest for life