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It's strange when comedians are having the calm and reasoned talks. The Americnan political cycle is a joke, watching you worship and cheer these politicians on like celebrities is sickening. Good to see someone laid back asking the right questions.



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Ryuu96 said:
Jumpin said:

Apparently he moved to Trump not because of ideology, but because pro-democratic media hurt his feelings.

This is why I (and I know at least a few others in this thread, as I've read the opinions) have zero respect for the position of "voting for the person, not the policies". It's fundamentally toxic to democracy because it turns it into a popularity contest instead of an election about governing a country.

You can easily find his previous comments and tweets slamming Trump and his positions/policies, Lol.

He is just another grifter, except he's insane too, maybe even crazier than Trump.

Wait, are you still talking about RFK, or JD Vance? Or Ted Cruz circa 2016? Or Lindsey Graham? Or Nikki Haley?

But seriously, this sort of thing happens every election cycle. The ones clearly losing in the primary election run would like you to suddenly forget all of the things they said about their opponent who is winning so they can endorse him and possibly get a position on that cabinet.



LegitHyperbole said:

It's strange when comedians are having the calm and reasoned talks. The Americnan political cycle is a joke, watching you worship and cheer these politicians on like celebrities is sickening. Good to see someone laid back asking the right questions.

Theo: "Who is behind the healthcare/insurance...that whole thing? It feels like Chuck Schumer is [a] deviant mastermind back there somewhere?"

Trump: "Well, he is one of the people that has hurt- he is one of the people that keeps the prices high."

They are both idiots. I don't necessarily blame Theo. Trump is an impossible guest for something like this. You kind of need someone who knows what they are talking about and is honest for "Non-Expert Talks to Politician" stuff and Trump checks neither of those boxes. Listening to Trump, it is pretty clear that he doesn't really know what he is talking about most of the time and is just bullshitting. 



sundin13 said:
LegitHyperbole said:

It's strange when comedians are having the calm and reasoned talks. The Americnan political cycle is a joke, watching you worship and cheer these politicians on like celebrities is sickening. Good to see someone laid back asking the right questions.

Theo: "Who is behind the healthcare/insurance...that whole thing? It feels like Chuck Schumer is [a] deviant mastermind back there somewhere?"

Trump: "Well, he is one of the people that has hurt- he is one of the people that keeps the prices high."

They are both idiots. I don't necessarily blame Theo. Trump is an impossible guest for something like this. You kind of need someone who knows what they are talking about and is honest for "Non-Expert Talks to Politician" stuff and Trump checks neither of those boxes. Listening to Trump, it is pretty clear that he doesn't really know what he is talking about most of the time and is just bullshitting. 

Well, it's a least addressing issues, not once have I seen the other side pressed on issues. You got this side that you say are idiots but you got the other side who just skirts around the issue and says a whole lotta nothing, nice soundbites that'll make them sound intelligent and make you think they are saying something but they're really not saying anything at all. 



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LegitHyperbole said:
sundin13 said:

Theo: "Who is behind the healthcare/insurance...that whole thing? It feels like Chuck Schumer is [a] deviant mastermind back there somewhere?"

Trump: "Well, he is one of the people that has hurt- he is one of the people that keeps the prices high."

They are both idiots. I don't necessarily blame Theo. Trump is an impossible guest for something like this. You kind of need someone who knows what they are talking about and is honest for "Non-Expert Talks to Politician" stuff and Trump checks neither of those boxes. Listening to Trump, it is pretty clear that he doesn't really know what he is talking about most of the time and is just bullshitting. 

Well, it's a least addressing issues, not once have I seen the other side pressed on issues. You got this side that you say are idiots but you got the other side who just skirts around the issue and says a whole lotta nothing, nice soundbites that'll make them sound intelligent and make you think they are saying something but they're really not saying anything at all. 

What does any of this mean? Can you give specifics?



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LegitHyperbole said:
sundin13 said:

Theo: "Who is behind the healthcare/insurance...that whole thing? It feels like Chuck Schumer is [a] deviant mastermind back there somewhere?"

Trump: "Well, he is one of the people that has hurt- he is one of the people that keeps the prices high."

They are both idiots. I don't necessarily blame Theo. Trump is an impossible guest for something like this. You kind of need someone who knows what they are talking about and is honest for "Non-Expert Talks to Politician" stuff and Trump checks neither of those boxes. Listening to Trump, it is pretty clear that he doesn't really know what he is talking about most of the time and is just bullshitting. 

Well, it's a least addressing issues, not once have I seen the other side pressed on issues. You got this side that you say are idiots but you got the other side who just skirts around the issue and says a whole lotta nothing, nice soundbites that'll make them sound intelligent and make you think they are saying something but they're really not saying anything at all. 

Except they didn't address the issues. They mostly pivoted to lobbying and even on that front, Trump didn't endorse much in the way of solutions. 

As far as Harris, given how late she started her campaign, she doesn't have a complete platform available on every issue but the talking point that she doesn't talk about issues is nonsense (especially when Trump is the counterpoint). For example, do you want to talk about medical debt? Harris has pointed to the fact that she has prevented medical debt from being included on credit reports and worked with Biden to begin price negotiations for prescription drugs for Medicare patients. These negotiations will expand every year. As for her future plans, she has highlighted North Carolina's Medical Debt Relief Incentive Program as a model and has promised to work with states on similar proposals to forgive medical debt. 

Since he didn't really talk about it here, what is Trump's plan to deal with medical debt?



sundin13 said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Well, it's a least addressing issues, not once have I seen the other side pressed on issues. You got this side that you say are idiots but you got the other side who just skirts around the issue and says a whole lotta nothing, nice soundbites that'll make them sound intelligent and make you think they are saying something but they're really not saying anything at all. 

Except they didn't address the issues. They mostly pivoted to lobbying and even on that front, Trump didn't endorse much in the way of solutions. 

As far as Harris, given how late she started her campaign, she doesn't have a complete platform available on every issue but the talking point that she doesn't talk about issues is nonsense (especially when Trump is the counterpoint). For example, do you want to talk about medical debt? Harris has pointed to the fact that she has prevented medical debt from being included on credit reports and worked with Biden to begin price negotiations for prescription drugs for Medicare patients. These negotiations will expand every year. As for her future plans, she has highlighted North Carolina's Medical Debt Relief Incentive Program as a model and has promised to work with states on similar proposals to forgive medical debt. 

Since he didn't really talk about it here, what is Trump's plan to deal with medical debt?

Fucked if I know, why are ya asking me. I'm not here to debate for Trump or Harris. Both are horrendous candidates. Both parties are horrendous parties. You Americans are stuck into a loosing game where no one wins and your country is on the edge of a cliff ready to collapse cause you can't agree on anything and your split right down the middle, China is gonna be the new USA for the world and life will go on. That's your biggest problem, not medical debt. 



LegitHyperbole said:
sundin13 said:

Except they didn't address the issues. They mostly pivoted to lobbying and even on that front, Trump didn't endorse much in the way of solutions. 

As far as Harris, given how late she started her campaign, she doesn't have a complete platform available on every issue but the talking point that she doesn't talk about issues is nonsense (especially when Trump is the counterpoint). For example, do you want to talk about medical debt? Harris has pointed to the fact that she has prevented medical debt from being included on credit reports and worked with Biden to begin price negotiations for prescription drugs for Medicare patients. These negotiations will expand every year. As for her future plans, she has highlighted North Carolina's Medical Debt Relief Incentive Program as a model and has promised to work with states on similar proposals to forgive medical debt. 

Since he didn't really talk about it here, what is Trump's plan to deal with medical debt?

Fucked if I know, why are ya asking me. I'm not here to debate for Trump or Harris. Both are horrendous candidates. Both parties are horrendous parties. You Americans are stuck into a loosing game where no one wins and your country is on the edge of a cliff ready to collapse cause you can't agree on anything and your split right down the middle, China is gonna be the new USA for the world and life will go on. That's your biggest problem, not medical debt. 

This kind of sentiment is why I never cared about those that lamented about us having two horrendous candidates when Biden was against Trump. Now we switched him out and surprise surprise it's still two horrendous candidates. Antiestablishment people who just generally hate politicians are so boring in political threads. 



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Torillian said:
LegitHyperbole said:

Fucked if I know, why are ya asking me. I'm not here to debate for Trump or Harris. Both are horrendous candidates. Both parties are horrendous parties. You Americans are stuck into a loosing game where no one wins and your country is on the edge of a cliff ready to collapse cause you can't agree on anything and your split right down the middle, China is gonna be the new USA for the world and life will go on. That's your biggest problem, not medical debt. 

This kind of sentiment is why I never cared about those that lamented about us having two horrendous candidates when Biden was against Trump. Now we switched him out and surprise surprise it's still two horrendous candidates. Antiestablishment people who just generally hate politicians are so boring in political threads. 

I think she's worse than Biden. At least Biden was likable in a way and you could give the benefit in his old age that he isn't some unbelievable monster for aiding Isreal or a fuck up for the mess in Afganistan. Harris will continue aiding genocide but she'll do it with a full able mind. If that makes me boring, so be it. Alas, the American dream is over for better or worse, there's no way in the devils testicle that that country will be standing in the same form it has done up until now unless some miracle happens that makes you all work together and the only thing that would seem to allow for that at this point is Aliens invading or AI taking over cause not even a world war will pull you all together, you'll fight and bicker over it until all your fighting and bickering has left you with nothing.