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AtlasIntel received a high rating just like Trafalgar because they overweighted Trump in 2020, which turned out to be the correct move. Unlike Trafalgar, however, they didn't make themselves absolute fools in 2022 with the same strategy and lost their rating only because they didn't poll the midterms.

AtlasIntel has sucked in Brazil this year and plenty of other elections worldwide these past years. Like most shady pollsters who don't give away their methodology and deliver results in 2-3 days, they most likely cook the books and sell results to the highest bidder.

It's not worth paying any attention to them whatsoever.



 

 

 

 

 

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Ryuu96 said:

And one of the best pollsters in Michigan has Harris ahead.

And the most accurate pollster for PA in 22 has Harris ahead.

Doesn't mean they'll be right but it's easy to find very, very reputable pollsters with Harris leading. Atlas Intel overestimated Marine Le Pen's vote share in the French elections by 15 points but because they got the 2020 elections correct, they're heavily weighted. They also missed the Chile Presidential elections by 10 points. Personally I think Atlas is too new to consider them highly reliable, 2020 could have just been them getting lucky. They aren't even good in their home country (Brazil) where they got Mayoral races way off.

Look at their crosstabs for their recent poll on the 31st.

For Wisconsin they have Trump winning 62% of the Black vote...Trump winning 40% of the Black vote in Michigan but Biden exit polls were 92% of the Black vote in Michigan in 2020. They have Trump at 24% of the Black vote in Pennsylvania while Biden exit polls had it at 92%...Yeah, I have big doubts here that they're getting Trump's black voter % correct.

They also say Trump will win among women in Arizona, will win 25% of the black vote in Georgia, will win 49.7% of the Asian vote there, 48.5% of Urban voters in Michigan, 40% of the black vote there, and that Kamala Harris is barely winning among women. 

The problem with fivethirtyeight is that it there's just not enough time. Say, 10 pollsters start up in the 2020 cycle. 5 of them are dead wrong. 2 of them are right because they are good pollsters. 3 of them are right because of pure luck. 

Now, the 3 that were right based on luck can release polls every other day like Atlas Intel is doing and can singlehandedly skew the polls by at least half a point. And even though they're putting out things that clearly don't make sense. And they could to a large extent shape the narrative. 



Ryuu96 said:
zorg1000 said:

Just in case you weren’t aware, 538 is not the same as it was in previous elections. The creator of the model, Nate Silver, was fired by ABC but was able to keep the model and now uses it for his site, Silver Bulletin. ABC kept the 538 name but has a new person with a new model running it.

Tbf Nate also heavily weighs AtlasIntel AFAIK and as a result of their last poll, has caused the % to swing up for Trump by a bit, which has once again caused dooming, Lol. 

Yeah. As I see it we are in an area where everything is in an area of margin of error for the pollsters. So I personally withhold strong judgment until the actual votes are tallied. I wouldn't say things show a clear tendency for either side. But we'll see.



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Ryuu96 said:

I think pollsters are underestimating women for sure but I also don't really understand why some of them are showing seismic shifts in voting for black voters, I see absolutely nothing to suggest that Trump is going to all of a sudden get a massive wave of black supporters and they're all of a sudden going to abandon Democrats. They would suggest a massive change in voting habits in just one election season. 

Yeah, in order for me to believe this massive shift in black voters, there would need to be a specific, major event causing it.

The shift in women makes sense because the Dobbs decision and restrictive abortion laws in red states (some even going after IVF), along with Vance’s statements about childless cat ladies and Trump’s court cases with E Jean Carroll & Stormy Daniels. Just a series of events over the last few years showing that the Republican Party treats women as lesser.

As for black voters, it’s not like Republicans have done any major outreach towards them or that Democrats have pushed any anti-black legislation or rhetoric. I know there has been a general shift rightward among young men regardless of race, but that shouldn’t be causing this big of a shift. Basically this would be the biggest shift in black voter habits since the Civil Rights Era and that just doesn’t make any sense because there is no specific cause.



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Nice but don't get too confident.



Interestingly virtually every article on Fox News yesterday was about garbage. Now almost nothing on their front page. They do have an article about how Trump's comments about putting Liz Cheney before a firing squad was taken out of context by the media. Suddenly context is very important.

Guess they figured making this campaign about rhetoric is not a good thing for their great leader.



This seems like the kind of thing that should be ridiculously good for Democrats in Georgia.



Oh look, PredictIt (one of those famous betting markets) is about to flip back to Harris 🫠

Not that I care, but how quickly they change, Lol.

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Ryuu96 said:

Nice but don't get too confident.

I remain humble, that's why I am not predicting 350+ electoral votes for Harris.



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