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zeldaring said:
Soundwave said:

I mean kids not reading anymore is a pretty widespread story at this point

https://www.latimes.com/opinion/story/2021-12-28/editorial-few-kids-are-reading-for-enjoyment-anymore-and-losing-out-on-more-than-great-stories

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2020/feb/29/children-reading-less-says-new-research

https://www.edweek.org/leadership/the-real-reasons-kids-arent-reading-more/2022/03

https://onenuttybuddy04.medium.com/the-vanishing-act-why-kids-dont-read-anymore-a98a9e1ba340

The smartphone/tablet has done a number on the coming generation. 

Yes, many children like the Harry Potter series because it's relatable and includes fantastical elements. The books feature characters and situations that are similar to real life, but also include magic. They also cover common childhood issues, such as bullying, loneliness, and fitting in, as well as other themes like friendship, competition, and loyalty. J.K. Rowling, the author, intended the series to be primarily aimed at children and made the writing relatable to her intended audience

Fun themes like friendship, competetion, loyalty, and transphobia. Sorry couldn't resist to throw that in there. 



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Chrkeller said:

Talking to Soundwave is like ramming your head repeatedly into a brick wall.

Feels like a living embodiment of that old Simpsons meme.

We've got Pem and Conina, two knowledgeable folk in their respective areas, but apparently Soundwave is on Einstein's level beyond anyone else on this forum. 

He doesn't need to see the big picture, he just "knows it". All of us here are apparently too stupid to notice, despite the fact that data has been brought up numerous times to back up said big picture, but again, none of that apparently matters, because he just "knows". 

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Chazore said:
Chrkeller said:

Talking to Soundwave is like ramming your head repeatedly into a brick wall.

Feels like a living embodiment of that old Simpsons meme.

We've got Pem and Conina, two knowledgeable folk in their respective areas, but apparently Soundwave is on Einstein's level beyond anyone else on this forum. 

He doesn't need to see the big picture, he just "knows it". All of us here are apparently too stupid to notice, despite the fact that data has been brought up numerous times to back up said big picture, but again, none of that apparently matters, because he just "knows". 

Lol.  That meme is spot on.  And there is no question Perma and Conina know their stuff.  



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Chrkeller said:

Lol.  That meme is spot on.  And there is no question Perma and Conina know their stuff.  

There's a reason why I don't challenge their info citations/knowledge. Soundwave has yet to catch onto that though. Some folks are just better versed in their presentation/findings, which is why I trust those two over anyone else. 



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Chazore said:

There's a reason why I don't challenge their info citations/knowledge. Soundwave has yet to catch onto that though. Some folks are just better versed in their presentation/findings, which is why I trust those two over anyone else. 

You should go to Nintendo's offices and tell them “you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, that's why the data indicates that you're in trouble.”

You should go to Square's offices and tell them "you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, you have to go back to creating great graphics games because that's what the data says should be done."

And so with all the others because they have all taken the wrong path.

I am sure that in several of them they will offer you to become president because it is clear that you have clear ideas.



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Tico said:
Chazore said:

There's a reason why I don't challenge their info citations/knowledge. Soundwave has yet to catch onto that though. Some folks are just better versed in their presentation/findings, which is why I trust those two over anyone else. 

You should go to Nintendo's offices and tell them “you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, that's why the data indicates that you're in trouble.”

You should go to Square's offices and tell them "you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, you have to go back to creating great graphics games because that's what the data says should be done."

And so with all the others because they have all taken the wrong path.

I am sure that in several of them they will offer you to become president because it is clear that you have clear ideas.

The whole industry continues to push graphics even nintendo main selling point for switch  2 is better graphics performance from what we know. So it's not just square it would be almost every developer of AAA games. even though graphics cost it also help advertise the game. would RDR 2 sold as well if it looked like a average  ps4 game, heck no. 

soundwave keeps arguing the same crap and is shocked that kids are playing games with ugly graphics but that's nothing new when DS almost sold as much as ps2 when graphics were making much bigger leaps. His main data point about people not caring about graphics were that console sales were slowing down and most PC users were mostly on much weaker hardware then consoles but the reality is gamers when you include PC  have more capable hardware then ever. Then he will argue well PC is not really for gaming then you show him data in gaming sales and it's not that far off from all consoles combined and just ignores it.

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Tico said:
Chazore said:

There's a reason why I don't challenge their info citations/knowledge. Soundwave has yet to catch onto that though. Some folks are just better versed in their presentation/findings, which is why I trust those two over anyone else. 

You should go to Nintendo's offices and tell them “you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, that's why the data indicates that you're in trouble.”

You should go to Square's offices and tell them "you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, you have to go back to creating great graphics games because that's what the data says should be done."

And so with all the others because they have all taken the wrong path.

I am sure that in several of them they will offer you to become president because it is clear that you have clear ideas.

Lol, wut?  Square makes beautiful games.  Their issue is making games ps5 exclusive and not supporting other hardware.  And a few weeks ago Square acknowledged this problem and is making changes.  



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Chrkeller said:
Tico said:

You should go to Nintendo's offices and tell them “you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, that's why the data indicates that you're in trouble.”

You should go to Square's offices and tell them "you don't know the facts, you don't know what you're doing, you have to go back to creating great graphics games because that's what the data says should be done."

And so with all the others because they have all taken the wrong path.

I am sure that in several of them they will offer you to become president because it is clear that you have clear ideas.

Lol, wut?  Square makes beautiful games.  Their issue is making games ps5 exclusive and not supporting other hardware.  And a few weeks ago Square acknowledged this problem and is making changes.  

It's like some folks forget that SE markets not only their games, but the visual fidelity as well:

Also their MMO got a complete graphics overhaul for modern systems:

Outside of SE, even Blizzard has been working away at completely overhauling WoW's graphical fidelity with new textures, higher spell density and varied/fluid spell fx and flashy armour sets. ESO got their visual update around 4 years ago and are still updating theirs to this day, so the big 3 MMO's are graphically keeping up, instead of staying stuck in 2004/2014 respectively. 



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zeldaring said:
OdinHades said:

I can only speak for myself. But whenever there is a game I want to play that is available for the Switch, I prefer that version over PS5 and PC for one simple reason: mobility. I can play with the Switch just about anywhere. That's not just great when I'm travelling. I also play a lot outside, in my bedroom or whatever. I also own a Steam Deck an a Lenovo Legion Go, which are a whole lot more powerful than the Switch. But I would still get multi-platform games for the Switch, because those PC handhelds aren't really mobile. Sure, you can move them, but they are so ginourmous that you don't want to carry them around all day. My Switch Lite fits in my pocket. Literally. At home I use the Switch OLED, which is still a whole lot smaller and lighter than my PC handhelds.

Now I don't care about Harry Potter. But with my 38 years, I came to a point where graphics and power simply do not matter anymore to me. I grew up with Star Fox running at 4 fps or something. I played GTA 4 the other day and still think the graphics of this 16 year old game are amazing. Graphics have gotten to a point, where they are just good enough for me, even on the low-end. Which is why I don't even think about it anymore and just get the games for the platform I prefer simply for reasons of convenience.

I don't know if I'm in the minority with that approach or not. As I said, I can only speak for myself.

Nothing wrong with that but if someone is a big Harry potter fan I would expect them to play a descent version cause the switch version is not even a true open world. It's cut back where it has load times, graphics look terrible compared to powerful hardware and frame rate is often dropping below 30fps with frame pacing if you are adult and don't love mobile gaming you really getting a butchered experience imo.

And as an adult who doesn't love mobile gaming*, I really couldn't care less how inferior the versions of games I'm playing are compared to others as long as they look and run well enough. There are a lot of things Soundwave has said in this thread that I don't agree with, but there's some merit to decades old IP like Harry Potter not being a kid's brand anymore because its base isn't strictly made up of kids anymore. Look at Pokemon: sure a significant demographic of fans are kids, but a lot of us that played it on Game Boy a quarter century ago are still kicking it.

I also think this notion that only kids care about the Switch is laughable. Remember that initial Switch reveal with all of those young adults using the Switch in different scenarios, like at a park or a rooftop party? I used to think that was silly and unrealistic, and Nintendo once again being out of touch with how real people play video games. Then I got a Switch. One day, while sitting on top of a table at the dog park while playing the Switch, it dawned on me that every scenario in that trailer (except at the b-ball court and on a professional esport team, lol) I found myself playing my switch: at home on the TV, at the dog park, in a vehicle while someone else is driving, at the airport, during lunchbreaks with coworkers, and at a small get together with friends.

You really should get past this outdated notion that "real gamers game on real hardware like PS and Xbox". As a lot of us "real gamers" have gotten older, our tastes and needs have changed. Outside of controversy like people losing their jobs and a lot of BS practices from greedy publishers, it's a great time to be a gamer because the hardware options are more varied than ever, and they've evolved to fit our changing lifestyles. So yeah, I'll take a version of a game I can play at home for a while before I stick in a bag and pick up later while I'm sitting in a lobby getting my car's tires replaced, then pick up where I left off while I spend an hour on a stationary bike at the gym, then come home and pick back up later on the TV. I'll get a lot more out of that than a prettier version that has to stay home.

*Not gonna lie, I probably play Pokemon GO more than anything now, because that's the one game I have on me at all times and it's convenient to play while walking to/from work, walking the dog, during free moments at work or while out and about. Kinda like what I just said about the Switch.



burninmylight said:
zeldaring said:

Nothing wrong with that but if someone is a big Harry potter fan I would expect them to play a descent version cause the switch version is not even a true open world. It's cut back where it has load times, graphics look terrible compared to powerful hardware and frame rate is often dropping below 30fps with frame pacing if you are adult and don't love mobile gaming you really getting a butchered experience imo.

And as an adult who doesn't love mobile gaming*, I really couldn't care less how inferior the versions of games I'm playing are compared to others as long as they look and run well enough. There are a lot of things Soundwave has said in this thread that I don't agree with, but there's some merit to decades old IP like Harry Potter not being a kid's brand anymore because its base isn't strictly made up of kids anymore. Look at Pokemon: sure a significant demographic of fans are kids, but a lot of us that played it on Game Boy a quarter century ago are still kicking it.

I also think this notion that only kids care about the Switch is laughable. Remember that initial Switch reveal with all of those young adults using the Switch in different scenarios, like at a park or a rooftop party? I used to think that was silly and unrealistic, and Nintendo once again being out of touch with how real people play video games. Then I got a Switch. One day, while sitting on top of a table at the dog park while playing the Switch, it dawned on me that every scenario in that trailer (except at the b-ball court and on a professional esport team, lol) I found myself playing my switch: at home on the TV, at the dog park, in a vehicle while someone else is driving, at the airport, during lunchbreaks with coworkers, and at a small get together with friends.

You really should get past this outdated notion that "real gamers game on real hardware like PS and Xbox". As a lot of us "real gamers" have gotten older, our tastes and needs have changed. Outside of controversy like people losing their jobs and a lot of BS practices from greedy publishers, it's a great time to be a gamer because the hardware options are more varied than ever, and they've evolved to fit our changing lifestyles. So yeah, I'll take a version of a game I can play at home for a while before I stick in a bag and pick up later while I'm sitting in a lobby getting my car's tires replaced, then pick up where I left off while I spend an hour on a stationary bike at the gym, then come home and pick back up later on the TV. I'll get a lot more out of that than a prettier version that has to stay home.

*Not gonna lie, I probably play Pokemon GO more than anything now, because that's the one game I have on me at all times and it's convenient to play while walking to/from work, walking the dog, during free moments at work or while out and about. Kinda like what I just said about the Switch.

There are so many games on switch that are great for mobile and fit the system well. Playing hogwartz to me is such a massive downgrade in everything that it doesn't make sense to me, to me it's a butchered version and i'm not  fan of playing butchered versions of games. if graphics performance, frame pacing and each area having load time don't matter to you that's good for you  enjoy.

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