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Forums - Sales Discussion - December Circana (NPD) 2023 Thread + Predictions

I'm actually shocked the Xbox came in third for December with the Switch down and with those crazy sales for the Xbox. We can estimate that that sell cost them between 200 and 300 million to absorb. So I actually think that sales for 2024 will be lower until Microsoft can make that price cut permanent.



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Zippy6 said:

The most the PS4 ever outsold the XBO by in the USA was 23% in 2017.

This year the PS5 sold 74% more units than the Xbox Series in the USA. That's the biggest gap between the two companies since the PS2 days. It's also bigger than any advantage the X360 ever had over the PS3 in USA annual sales.

^ this.

CosmicSex said:

I'm actually shocked the Xbox came in third for December with the Switch down and with those crazy sales for the Xbox. We can estimate that that sell cost them between 200 and 300 million to absorb. So I actually think that sales for 2024 will be lower until Microsoft can make that price cut permanent.

and this.

Series S was 150$, and Series X was going for 349$, in the US, its strongest market.
And it didn't outsell a PS5 that wasn't really discounted.

2024, Xbox will have to deal with a PS5Pro and a Switch 2.
Hardware sales are gonna be worse than 2023.

The trend of europe sales data showing xbox series sales dropping off, seems to have also played out in the US, even with discounts going on.



ShadowLink93 said:


*Estimates, CESA white paper will give us the exact NPD/Circana numbers for 2023 later this year

Top Three Selling Platforms in the U.S per Calendar Year (millions of units)
Note: 1987 - 1993 is data found on Video Game Sales Wiki and may not be completely accurate, 1994 onwards is from NPD

1987
NES - 3.00
???
???

1988
NES - 5.00
???
???

1989
NES - 9.00
GB - 1.50
GEN - 0.50

1990
NES - 7.20
GB - 3.90
GEN - 1.00

1991
NES - 4.40
GB - 2.10
SNES - 2.00

1992
SNES - 4.90
GEN - 4.50
GB - 3.20

1993
GEN
 - 5.50
SNES - 4.40
GB - 3.60

Yeah. Old sales data is a bit of a mess.

For example, shipments for the Americas region for the NES make it hard to corroborate third-party sales estimates because Nintendo's fiscal years during the 80s ran from September 1 to August 31, but then they had a six-month transitional period lasting from Sept. 1, 1989 to March 31, 1990 after which they've been using the April 1 to March 31 fiscal years we're familiar with. Also, while Nintendo did ship 7.55M NES units during FY1990-91, in FY1991-92 they only shipped 2.4M, which seems like not enough to sustain 4.4M units sold in the U.S. in 1991. Much of the actual sell-through data comes from various magazines and market analysis/research papers. And while the NPD Group did give us a final U.S. lifetime tally of 36M for the NES in the U.S., that's more than the 34M final tally that Nintendo gave for shipments for the entire region. So someone is wrong somewhere.

Also, I got some data second-hand (IIRC it was from Square2005 from back in the GAF days) that yields a lifetime total for the SNES & Genesis that's proportionally much lower than what the NPD Group estimated. It also doesn't match up well with known shipment data. We know from Nintendo's own numbers that the SNES had shipped 8.96M units to the Americas region by March 1993. My old second-hand source estimates only 5.1M units sold in the U.S. by the end of 1992. Those numbers on the VG Sales Wiki are much higher, sitting at 6.9M units. The U.S. has always represented between 85-90% of the sales in the region, at least for the generation as a whole, so it probably stands to reason that the SNES sold around 7.7M to 8.1M in the Americas by the end of 1992. Take into account that there were probably several hundred thousand units shipped in the winter quarter of 1993, and that makes the numbers on the VG Sales Wiki more accurate, at least for earlier SNES numbers.

The sources VG Sales uses for later SNES sales is way too low. What I have from my second-hand source is actually higher than what VG Sales has, and therefore closer to Nintendo shipment data. Nintendo shipped 4.88M SNES units from April 1996 to when the system was discontinued. My second-hand source gives 3.26M units in the U.S. from 1996 onward, while VG Sales has it at under 2M, with it completely dropping off after 1997 (highly unlikely unless most of the SNES units sold in the region outside of the U.S. weren't until after the N64 was released).

What we do know is that the SNES shipped 23.36M units lifetime in the Americas, and given the U.S.'s typical share of the region's sales for Nintendo systems, that gives us a range of around 19.8M to 21M, which is pretty spot-on to what the NPD Group estimates from the Wedbush report. But finding reliable yearly data is always going to be difficult if not impossible.

And then there's the mess that is Sega Genesis numbers. That's just all over the place.

Oh, and unless something changed recently, there's a good chance there won't be a CESA white paper this year. Hopefully they do still release it this year.

EDIT: I was going to do the part about 16-bit systems but I got sidetracked by stuff. Only had half a sentence written out before I hit the "Submit" button.

Last edited by Shadow1980 - on 20 January 2024

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Nice to see that Xbox did a lot better compared to last month but it's still not doing great. Also cool that something beat COD that isn't Rockstar even if it might've still won if MWIII wasn't such a weak release.