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Leynos said:

Astral Chain is a great game. Not a PS5 or Xbox. Xenoblade games are great games not on PS5 or Xbox.

Do you want hardcore? Shmups are hardcore and can make Souls games look like easy mode. (Esp Battle Garagga and Border Down which punish players for playing well so you have to strategically die at times) Do you know what current system is a shmup machine? Switch. "but they are niche" Yeah so it's not casually for the masses. For a dedicated group of people who master these incredibly difficult games in a difficult genre. The system has hundreds of them, one of the most dedicated fanbases of any genre. Only Fighting Game fans are on that level.

This thread is about what we think the  Majority of core gamers are looking for, not personal tastes.



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Switch is a better core system than the ps5 at this point in time. Switch games I can't play on PC include Tears, Breath, Odyssey, Skyward, wonder, engage, three houses, Awakening Remake, LM3, pikmin 4, etc, etc.

For the ps5 list all those great games I can't play on PC.... spider 2..... that is about it.

Nintendo is the only hardware that has actual exclusives.  



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Chrkeller said:

Switch is a better core system than the ps5 at this point in time. Switch games I can't play on PC include Tears, Breath, Odyssey, Skyward, wonder, engage, three houses, Awakening Remake, LM3, pikmin 4, etc, etc.

For the ps5 list all those great games I can't play on PC.... spider 2..... that is about it.

Nintendo is the only hardware that has actual exclusives.  

You can play them especially with that beast of a PC you have lol. I get it, but I think the op is talking about a gamer who only owns one console or pc.



zeldaring said:
Chrkeller said:

Switch is a better core system than the ps5 at this point in time. Switch games I can't play on PC include Tears, Breath, Odyssey, Skyward, wonder, engage, three houses, Awakening Remake, LM3, pikmin 4, etc, etc.

For the ps5 list all those great games I can't play on PC.... spider 2..... that is about it.

Nintendo is the only hardware that has actual exclusives.  

You can play them especially with that beast of a PC you have lol. I get it, but I think the op is talking about a gamer who only owns one console or pc.

I don't think most core gamers own one console.  I have a number of friends who are into gaming and multiple consoles are normal.  The best combo by far is PC + switch.  



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zeldaring said:
padib said:

What is a great game? I don't like Assassin's Creed or GTA, I don't like Gran Turismo, or Halo. No matter how popular these games are, it doesn't make them core or hardcore, it makes them mainstream.

So you're probably the most casual gamer of all those posting in this thread and confusing your mainstream tastes with core gaming.

Core games are core games it doesn't matter how popular they are. All those games you listed are core games we grew up playing that are a evolution and resonate with core gamers. 

The definition of "core games" seems to be whatever you need it to mean at the moment.



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Chrkeller said:
zeldaring said:

You can play them especially with that beast of a PC you have lol. I get it, but I think the op is talking about a gamer who only owns one console or pc.

I don't think most core gamers own one console.  I have a number of friends who are into gaming and multiple consoles are normal.  The best combo by far is PC + switch.  

I think If a gamer has 2 consoles or pc and console it defeats the purpose of this discussion. 



Pemalite said:
burninmylight said:

I'm telling you, you really had to have been around at that time to understand just how let down, confused, bamboozled, hoodwinked and outright betrayed many felt. Yes, Nintendo never outright said the first GCN Zelda would have a realistic or mature art direction, but that was the impression we got when we saw that first trailer! That's where we THOUGHT things were going!



But like most things in console land, the hype from people can get very real and very silly, even unrealistic.

That's the only line in your post that matters. Doesn't matter how possible that tech demo was for actual gameplay. It was the fact that it planted an expectation in the minds of gamers, and it built mountains of hype. Then the next time we saw footage of Zelda, it was absolutely nothing like what anyone expected. All this against the backdrop of Nintendo's perception in the game industry, while trying to convince the public to support its struggling console.

I don't see how you missed that.



burninmylight said:
zeldaring said:

Core games are core games it doesn't matter how popular they are. All those games you listed are core games we grew up playing that are a evolution and resonate with core gamers. 

The definition of "core games" seems to be whatever you need it to mean at the moment.

The only thing I would qualify as a casual game is a game that requires no skill.  COD, and gran turismo require a ton of hours to get good.



zeldaring said:
burninmylight said:

The definition of "core games" seems to be whatever you need it to mean at the moment.

The only thing I would qualify as a casual game is a game that requires no skill.  COD, and gran turismo require a ton of hours to get good.

In that case, the Switch has tons of "core" games. Like I said before, every console has no shortage of core games for someone to enjoy, and these days anyone who doesn't limit themselves to a single genre and/or has a life outside of playing games nonstop can get by on a single console.

zeldaring said:

This thread is about what we think the  Majority of core gamers are looking for, not personal tastes.

The majority of core gamers aren't limiting themselves to your narrow view. The majority of core gamers could not care less whether a game is indie or AAA.



CoD and GTA are the very definition of casual. Most of the people I know who own a couple of games always have CoD and GTA in their stack.



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