Outlaws is only one example that requires ray traced lighting, that's already an extreme stressor on a mobile system.

The Playstation audience isn't really growing, Nintendo has a better track on bringing in new generations of gamers, if someone was a "kid" in 2018 getting a Switch at say 9 years old, they'd be 16 today. They may not want a stationary fat brick console period. Doesn't fit their lifestyle and what they're used to (being able to play where ever they want when ever they want).

So there definitely could/will be gamers getting into things like FC Soccer or Call of Duty or Final Fantasy or Mortal Kombat or whatever who choose to do so on the Switch 2.

The whole concept of "well surely if you're a kid you're gonna buy a Playstation and 'graduate' up from some Nintendo platform" is I think outdated thinking. Nintendo is "cool" today even with teenagers and the college age crowd, a lot of people in ecosystems like the Switch or PC are simply not migrating to things like Playstation or XBox period. It ain't 2004 anymore. 

Sony I think knows this internally too, they're panicking and trying to do stuff like now like more and more multiplatform, more PC focus, now they're going to kneecap the PS6 era with their hybrid that will have sub PS5 performance ... they're not doing any of this stuff if their internal metrics aren't telling them certain trends are not going their way.

Everyone is panicking, since kids are on the mobile and PCs...some just hide it better.

I think Playstation is in serious danger of becoming a very old-fart type of brand where it's a bunch of 35-45 year olds. They're not "old" in a cool way anymore. I know there are things like Statista that try to estimate the age of the PS userbase but I don't think there are any official numbers, and I don't think Sony wants to release those numbers.

The average kid who was 20 when the PS2 came out, that core of their audience is like 45 years old today. Even if you were 25 when the PS4 launched, you're 37 now (!)

Nintendo has a better balance in this respect because they continue to get a ton of kids every gen so they always have a younger upswing of users coming in constantly but they've gained massive traction in retaining older players too. Nintendo is no longer "uncool" and the pop culture headwinds of the 2000s are completely over. I think also this is why Sony is suddenly try to push things like Astro Bot and LEGO Horizon, I think they are concerned that while they have a reliable base of consumers, it's mainly an aging base that becoming a bunch of "dad gamers". 

So much cringe you trying to build stereotypes to fit your narrative.

There are young Playstation gamers and old PlayStation gamers. Some of them are "cool", others aren't... and that has nothing to do with their age.

There are young Nintendo gamers and old Nintendo gamers. Some of them are "cool", others aren't... and that has nothing to do with their age.

Yet Sony fans spew endless stereotypes about Nintendo fans ("they'll get a Playstation eventually because  they have to once they get older" .... uh says who? It ain't 2004 anymore). 

So if you don't like the shoe being on the other foot for a change, that's not really my problem. Demographics of this era probably favor Nintendo, whereas the headwinds used to be behind Sony in the 2000s. Nintendo has a good mix of virtual ownership of the family market of console gaming which ensures a non-stop infusion of younger generations, but they've also hit paydirt and gained massive traction in retaining their fanbase as it gets older too. If anything the more fanatical part of the fanbase is now older gamers. It's why they can sell 6 million systems at $500+ (more or less) without much fuss these days. 

I think Sony is well aware of the things that I'm talking about too, the PS2-PS3-PS4 gamer who even started in their early 20s is getting ooooooold. Young kids are not as Playstation centric as past generations, they like smartphones, they like Switch, they like Steam, Playstation doesn't rule the roost of the world for a lot of this coming generation of consumers. This probably why Sony is looking more into multiplatform, pushing games like Astro Bot and LEGO Horizon all of the sudden, etc. etc. Likely they even have more and more Switch 2 games eventually. 

Who says that? Classic strawman argument.

Sorry, but I like Nintendo, Sony and Microsoft consoles about equal. All of them have good games.

Are PS5 gamer who even started in their 15s - early 20s also getting ooooooold?

You are posting on VGC for over 15 years... you are an "old fart", too.  

DF definitely have their niche, and I for one enjoy their content.

My point is more that they come at things from the perspective of graphics enthusiasts; there's nothing with that, as that's their target audience. The average consumer is somewhat less focused on graphics however, so a lot of things that DF find to be serious problems, like a game using FSR instead of DLSS, just isn't an issue to most players, especially on a system like Switch 2 where people know they're not getting a high end device and care more about portability than performance.

Again, this doesn't invalidate DF, I just doubt things that bother those guys will be a dealbreaker for most Switch 2 owners.

This exactly. But also still on PS5 since playing online together still just works better on a console or PC. 

Both my kids have ditched the Switch for PC and PS5 gaming. Some mobile as well but my oldest has an older phone, youngest no phone yet. 

It's not the power or quality of the Switch, my youngest and his nephew play on old laptops together so they can sit side by side while playing their online games together. Performance is not a deal breaker, online functionality is for kids.

Got to have your you tuber an alt-tab away and Discord running while playing. My oldest has his phone and laptop next to him while playing online on PS5. Kids can't handle the single screen experience anymore!

The "average consumer" being somewhat less focused would be an understatement lol. Throwing out even kids and casuals entirely, I doubt even 10% of "core" gamers on Playstation, XBox, or Switch platforms could even correctly answer the following questions:

1.) Who makes the GPU for your game console? I remember I asked a good buddy of mine this, and this guy put like a hundred hours into Red Dead Redemption 2 on the PS4, buys COD, buys tons of core games. He's not a casual gamer by any means. When asked he just blankly stared at me and said "Doesn't Sony make the GPU?". Most people don't even know that AMD or Nvidia make the GPUs inside their Playstation/XBox/Switch, lol. 

2.) What class GPU is it? Most people will definitely not be able to answer this.

3.) How much RAM does your console have?

I'd say upwards of 90% of core console gamers can't even answer those 3 basic questions, lol. They have no fucking clue what resolution their games are running, most of them don't even know what FSR or DLSS is let alone the difference between the two. They have maybe a vague understanding of some this stuff at best (like "my XBox is HD!" or "it's 4K graphics! It says so right on the box!" or "I have 1 TB storage"). 

If you can answer the three questions above, you're already in a pretty extreme niche audience.

Around 70-90% of the average consumer don't not even finish the game they buy, in other words why are we talking about or care about the average consumer in gaming message board.