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Qwark said:

Imagine how strong gamepass would be if they had all of Nintendo's offerings and Microsoft could bring Nintendo games to pc. It isn't all that bad for the Industry, if Microsoft actually does the impossible. On the other hand I doubt Nintendo is willing to sell for anything less than ABK.

VersusEvil said:

God I wish, I despise having to buy Nintendo’s hardware for the small handful of games I like from them.

I love how naive some people are here. If Microsoft were to acquire Nintendo, do you really think Nintendo would remain the same? Look at Rare, and all the things they screwed over. Obviously it's not just Microsoft, but that's why acquisitions are so dangerous. Acquisition might get the IP and infrastructure, but you won't get the talent. If people really think an acquisition of something at the level of Nintendo would be good for the industry, they are incredibly stupid. That was the whole debate with Activision Blizzard as well. What happened to all the anti-trust stuff that was discussed here with the FTC case. Fanboys are crazy fr. 



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I think people read too much into this.
First, it's now clearly outdated but even if we look at things with 2020 minds it still just discussing opportunities, possible even improbable future opportunities, and current positions. They did not mention any attempts or any will to make attempts in the current context.
The last part only highlights how improbable it is, so it transpires to me as not now but you never know.

The only thing truly concrete here is, communication for better collaboration which I'm all for. It's such collaboration that allowed GoldenEye 007 remaster to finally be released on xbox and the original to also be released on Nintendo service.



How are MS fans still defending this crap?



Shatts said:
Qwark said:

Imagine how strong gamepass would be if they had all of Nintendo's offerings and Microsoft could bring Nintendo games to pc. It isn't all that bad for the Industry, if Microsoft actually does the impossible. On the other hand I doubt Nintendo is willing to sell for anything less than ABK.

VersusEvil said:

God I wish, I despise having to buy Nintendo’s hardware for the small handful of games I like from them.

I love how naive some people are here. If Microsoft were to acquire Nintendo, do you really think Nintendo would remain the same? Look at Rare, and all the things they screwed over. Obviously it's not just Microsoft, but that's why acquisitions are so dangerous. Acquisition might get the IP and infrastructure, but you won't get the talent. If people really think an acquisition of something at the level of Nintendo would be good for the industry, they are incredibly stupid. That was the whole debate with Activision Blizzard as well. What happened to all the anti-trust stuff that was discussed here with the FTC case. Fanboys are crazy fr. 

I would argue Bethesda is doing just fine under Microsoft. Starfield seems like a pretty big succes so far.



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Also to Sony fan or anybody suggesting Sony-Nintendo merge

Dude, we need MORE players in the industry not less

Ideally Nintendo would have at least another big player in handheld space, just like Sony and MS would ideally have another player in console space


I'm still wanting for some Chinese company to enter in hardware market and try to disrupt it a bit. Chinese people make fairly good smartphones and ok ish PCs. I would be curious to see how well they could do selling hardware



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Shatts said:
VersusEvil said:

God I wish, I despise having to buy Nintendo’s hardware for the small handful of games I like from them.

I love how naive some people are here. If Microsoft were to acquire Nintendo, do you really think Nintendo would remain the same? Look at Rare, and all the things they screwed over. Obviously it's not just Microsoft, but that's why acquisitions are so dangerous. Acquisition might get the IP and infrastructure, but you won't get the talent. If people really think an acquisition of something at the level of Nintendo would be good for the industry, they are incredibly stupid. That was the whole debate with Activision Blizzard as well. What happened to all the anti-trust stuff that was discussed here with the FTC case. Fanboys are crazy fr. 

Might want to get that knee checked out. 



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IcaroRibeiro said:

How are MS fans still defending this crap?

What crap?

Do you mean MS trying to Buy Nintendo? It did not happen and this email was not about it either, nor does this email rise or lowers possibilities in that regard. It only mentioned MS Value Nintendo and its assets, nothing more.

To view this as some kind of damage that should be defended is weird. I'm sure Sony values Nintendo just as much as well as many other companies. It's not evil or hostile, just realist and stating the obvious.



aTokenYeti said:

Microsoft gaming makes more money year over year than the entire Nintendo corporation combined, and that’s before the ABK merger.

I don’t think Phil Spencer is taking crazy pills suggesting Nintendo is leaving money on the table. Basically every Nintendo first party can run on mobile phones, and the addressable market for iOS and android is billions of people.

Generating revenue and making money are two very different things. Regarding Nintendo leaving money on the table, continue reading below.

chakkra said:

Okay,

1st) I agree that Microsoft buying Nintendo would be bad for the industry over all (we need more competition, not less) and I 100% DO NOT want that to happen.

2nd) Looking at the phrase "Nintendo future exists off their own hardware" on a vacuum, one has to wonder: How much would Zelda, Mario Kart 8 and Pókemon sell if they released on all of the other platforms? I mean, I think Pókemon alone might be able to rival GTA. Then again, I guess someone could argue that the tribalism that makes some fans rally around the brand might disappear and they would no longer have the same level of interest for those games, but still.

Software sales would most likely not increase to an appreciable degree, unless one believes that tens of millions of gamers refuse to buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo games. In order to believe that, one has to give a lot of weight to the obnoxious voices on the internet who are all for Nintendo going third party. But here's a hint: Even among those who complain the most, most of them did buy Nintendo hardware already.

Phil Spencer's suggestion that Nintendo's future exists off their own hardware is so fundamentally wrong that it's not surprising that the Xbox business is in such a bad state. The guy doesn't understand how the different aspects of the console business are interlinked, so here comes the portion of my post that should be most interesting to aTokenYeti.

Nintendo makes money not only off their software, but also their hardware, their controllers, their own subscription service and by collecting royalty fees from third party games. Exclusive first party games unsurprisingly bolster this whole setup that generates high profit margins in all areas, hence why Nintendo is so profitable despite having significantly lower revenues than their competitors.

The statement that mobile gaming is an addressable market of billions of people is outright delusional. The mobile gaming market has proven time and time again that the vast majority of people is not willing to pay money for games, so the actual addressable market ranges merely in the millions and is therefore much smaller than the console market.

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Papa Phil has had enough time to fix Xbox after Mattrick was shown the door. His business moves haven't resulted in an appreciable improvement and that's horrible when you consider how low the bar had been set by the previous leadership. Also, his PR work is commonly embarrassing; I am talking about multiple examples of him gratulating Sony for successful launches. That's the kind of thing you would only say if Xbox's future existed off their own hardware.



Legend11 correctly predicted that GTA IV will outsell Super Smash Bros. Brawl. I was wrong.

Qwark said:

Imagine how strong gamepass would be if they had all of Nintendo's offerings and Microsoft could bring Nintendo games to pc. It isn't all that bad for the Industry, if Microsoft actually does the impossible. On the other hand I doubt Nintendo is willing to sell for anything less than ABK.

It would only be all right if Microsoft literally sat back and let them do everything they want as if they hadn't been purchased... and that isn't going to happen. There is no way you spend all that capital and not intervene here and there.