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Chrkeller said:

I think people are going to be disappointed. I don't see a ps4 hybrid system from Nintendo. I don't even know what a ps4 in handheld mode looks like from a battery perspective.

There's the Steam Deck and while its battery life isn't great the Switch 2 coming out over 2 years later will help with that aspect.



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Don't see the issue with pricing really. Make it cheaper in Japan. No need to region lock it. A lot of people aren't going to be aware of the price in Japan anyway, importing will drive up the cost, and worst case scenario they buy up the Japan inventory and people in the US have to buy it here anyway. They can throw in a pack in title also to help compensate for the price difference. For a company that is doing most of its business overseas, weak currency is generally a benefit to the point where China is frequently accused of undervaluing its own currency.

Soundwave said:
Chrkeller said:

Leaked isn't confirmed nor do we know if it will be under clocked.  Nor do we know about ram, etc.

The Pro never launched, period.  The leaks were fake, period.

We disagree, which is fine.  Let it be.

Maybe you could do like 2 minutes of research on the chip (Tegra T239), there's quite a bit known about it actually. 

The Pro is the OLED, the "leaks" were accurate in saying it would have an OLED display and they did get the exact screen size correct (if they guessed that by random happenstance then I guess they should go play the lottery too with that kind of luck), they just got confused with Switch 2 as well and assumed it was one product which is not an unreasonable mistake to make. Saying "all leaks are false forever and ever because of that" is just dumb in my view.

You also do understand that just because you "downclock" a chip doesn't mean you get it for a cheaper price, right? Like if the Tegra T239 is a 3 TFLOP chip and Nintendo decides to cripple it "because Nintendo!" to 1 TFLOP, they're still paying for the 3 TFLOP chip, that's not Nvidia's problem. 

The OLED screen size I think would be pretty easy to guess. The Joycons had to fit on the Switch "Pro", so you could assume the size would be similar, so the screen would just be expanded by the size of the bezel. 

It's probably best to treat all leaks are false until proven correct. Unless you have fun with the speculation, then by all means. 



Norion said:
Chrkeller said:

I think people are going to be disappointed. I don't see a ps4 hybrid system from Nintendo. I don't even know what a ps4 in handheld mode looks like from a battery perspective.

There's the Steam Deck and while its battery life isn't great the Switch 2 coming out over 2 years later will help with that aspect.

Steam Deck’s battery life is bad because it uses a CISC based chipset, which isn’t as power efficient as Switch’s RISC based architecture. So Switch 2 could conceivably be more powerful while having a smaller battery, and end up with a longer battery life.



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Jumpin said:
Norion said:

There's the Steam Deck and while its battery life isn't great the Switch 2 coming out over 2 years later will help with that aspect.

Steam Deck’s battery life is bad because it uses a CISC based chipset, which isn’t as power efficient as Switch’s RISC based architecture. So Switch 2 could conceivably be more powerful while having a smaller battery, and end up with a longer battery life.

Yeah I don't see battery life being a major concern. At worst it should at least be similar to the original Switch model at launch.



Nintendo also doesn't have a history of selling for $399, or Xbox for $499 but times change ~

Especially in Japan they essentially have a monopoly and I suspect that Switch Support will continue into 2025... For the most part the Top 30 in Japan is filled with old switch titles, so I don't think there's any major issue if the new system is a bit pricey.



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Swicth 2 will be way more capable of PS4/X1 regardless of raw Teraflops or whatever lol.

Switch is a decade after PS3/360 and beasts them in certain areas like RAM.

Switch 2 will be a decade later than PS4/X1 plus have the benefits of new DLSS



PS4 level performance in a mobile chip is nothing that amazing to be honest.

The Apple A16 Bionic chip in iPhone 14 Pros is 2 teraflops (above the PS4) already and this chip will be 2 years old when the Switch 2 launches next year, the M1 chip inside iPads is beyond that already too.

When the Tegra X1 launched in 2015 it was basically equal to the cutting edge Apple chip of the time (Apple A9X that was for the iPad), actually technically it was better than any mobile chip since the A9X didn't come out for another 6-7 months after Tegra X1. 

The M series of chips from Apple is interesting because they can flat out run PC games basically by emulating them (so through sheer raw grunt power, which is an incredible display of how powerful those chips are). It's theoretically entirely possible that you'll be seeing iPads that can run modern PS5/XBSX games if they continue using M-series chips.

Here's a video on that ... Apple is making something called a Game Porting Toolkit for the M1/M2 processors which allows DX12 games like Cyberpunk and Diablo 4 to be played on Macs (and potentially iPads)

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/tZhiEUGCzIE

Last edited by Soundwave - on 31 August 2023

JWeinCom said:

Don't see the issue with pricing really. Make it cheaper in Japan. No need to region lock it. A lot of people aren't going to be aware of the price in Japan anyway, importing will drive up the cost, and worst case scenario they buy up the Japan inventory and people in the US have to buy it here anyway. They can throw in a pack in title also to help compensate for the price difference. For a company that is doing most of its business overseas, weak currency is generally a benefit to the point where China is frequently accused of undervaluing its own currency.

Soundwave said:

Maybe you could do like 2 minutes of research on the chip (Tegra T239), there's quite a bit known about it actually. 

The Pro is the OLED, the "leaks" were accurate in saying it would have an OLED display and they did get the exact screen size correct (if they guessed that by random happenstance then I guess they should go play the lottery too with that kind of luck), they just got confused with Switch 2 as well and assumed it was one product which is not an unreasonable mistake to make. Saying "all leaks are false forever and ever because of that" is just dumb in my view.

You also do understand that just because you "downclock" a chip doesn't mean you get it for a cheaper price, right? Like if the Tegra T239 is a 3 TFLOP chip and Nintendo decides to cripple it "because Nintendo!" to 1 TFLOP, they're still paying for the 3 TFLOP chip, that's not Nvidia's problem. 

The OLED screen size I think would be pretty easy to guess. The Joycons had to fit on the Switch "Pro", so you could assume the size would be similar, so the screen would just be expanded by the size of the bezel. 

It's probably best to treat all leaks are false until proven correct. Unless you have fun with the speculation, then by all means. 

There's no fucking way they just randomly guessed an OLED panel and the panels exact screen size by guessing. They got that info from a leak likely inside a factory or production side leaker in China. 

What they got wrong was they were also getting reports about this Nvidia chip (Tegra T239) and they didn't understand that these are two separate products (Switch OLED and Switch 2), instead they assumed it was one product (Switch Pro). Which is honestly a fair mistake, anyone could make that. If I'm hearing about a new Switch model with a new OLED display and I'm also hearing about a new chipset for a new Switch model, it's easy to think they are for the same system. 

When looking at a leak one should first look at who the leaker is and if they have a proven track record, and then they should look to see if that information corresponds with information that comes out later. For example the leaker of the Tegra Drake/T239 has reliably leaked several Nvidia chips before, and then after he leaked that, an Nvidia employee was caught referencing this chip (so it exists) whereas no one had referenced it before aside from this leaker, and an Nvidia hack also shows this chip in their firmware and even shows its graphics API is known as NVN2 ... NVN being the Switch's (and only the Switch's) graphics API. All that stuff checks out. 

From Nintendo's POV IMO Switch OLED IS the "Pro" version of the Switch. Just because it didn't get a spec bump that people wanted doesn't mean it doesn't essentially fill the same role as a premium version of the Switch like the DSi XL, New 3DS XL, etc. in the back half of the Switch's life cycle. 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 31 August 2023

Chrkeller said:
Greykun said:

I think so too. What we can realisticly hope is maybe xbox one power, and if we are very lucky. 

Agreed.  Xbox One is realistic.  I've heard people expecting ps4 pro.....  I would be stunned if that turned out true.  

Yeah I expect roughly Xbox1/PS4 power, but PS4 Pro was basically just PS4 with extra power that allowed it to do 4k and with DLSS making resolution bumps much more efficient the do Switch 2 might actually provide something in the range of PS4 Pro since presumably it will have DLSS and use it to bump textures up. Of course we don't actually know if Nintendo will make it a 4k machine maybe they will target something lower and then output games at low res and use DLSS to bump it up just to 1080 or something and thereby have (if its roughly PS4 powered) better graphics than XBox1/PS4. But if Nintendo markets it as a 4k docked machine and they use DLSS to do that then it could basically be around PS4 Pro in that it could be around those level of graphics and with 4k. I guess it just depends if Nintendo wants more performant and higher level graphics or if they want to market being 4k.



Soundwave said:
JWeinCom said:

Don't see the issue with pricing really. Make it cheaper in Japan. No need to region lock it. A lot of people aren't going to be aware of the price in Japan anyway, importing will drive up the cost, and worst case scenario they buy up the Japan inventory and people in the US have to buy it here anyway. They can throw in a pack in title also to help compensate for the price difference. For a company that is doing most of its business overseas, weak currency is generally a benefit to the point where China is frequently accused of undervaluing its own currency.

The OLED screen size I think would be pretty easy to guess. The Joycons had to fit on the Switch "Pro", so you could assume the size would be similar, so the screen would just be expanded by the size of the bezel. 

It's probably best to treat all leaks are false until proven correct. Unless you have fun with the speculation, then by all means. 

There's no fucking way they just randomly guessed an OLED panel and the panels exact screen size by guessing. They got that info from a leak likely inside a factory in China. 

What they got wrong was they were also getting reports about this Nvidia chip (Tegra T239) and they didn't understand that these are two separate products (Switch OLED and Switch 2), instead they assumed it was one product (Switch Pro). Which is honestly a fair mistake, anyone could make that. If I'm hearing about a new Switch model with a new OLED display and I'm also hearing about a new chipset for a new Switch model, it's easy to think they are for the same system. 

When looking at a leak one should first look at who the leaker is and if they have a proven track record, and then they should look to see if that information corresponds with information that comes out later. For example the leaker of the Tegra Drake/T239 has reliably leaked several Nvidia chips before, and then after he leaked that, an Nvidia employee was caught referencing this chip (so it exists), and an Nvidia hack also shows this chip in their firmware and even shows its graphics API is known as NVN2 ... NVN being the Switch's graphics API. All that stuff checks out. 

From Nintendo's POV IMO Switch OLED IS the "Pro" version of the Switch. Just because it didn't get a spec bump that people wanted doesn't mean it doesn't essentially fill the same role as a premium version of the Switch like the DSi XL, New 3DS XL, etc. in the back half of the Switch's life cycle. 

Why not?

If you think about the ways one might improve the base switch, an OLED screen seems like a pretty logical guess. As for the screen size, I don't know what to say without repeating myself. Making the screen bigger is another obvious improvement. But, if we assume they are going to keep it compatible with the same Joycons, which seems like an obvious decision, the overall size of the unit would be the same. Meaning, there's a pretty narrow range of sizes you could do. The screen was 6.2 inches on the Switch and could only get to about 8" if you wanted it to extend all the way to the Joycons. The only real possibility would be in the range of 6.5 to 7.5 or so. 7 is a nice round figure in that range. And if they had guessed something like 7.2, you'd probably had counted that as close enough.  

I see no reason why this is particularly impressive.

Last edited by JWeinCom - on 31 August 2023