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IcaroRibeiro said:
Kai_Mao said:

Outside of FFVII Remake and maybe XV Royal, I don’t know if Sony will allow Square Enix to develop a mainline modern FF game on a Nintendo console, even if it’s as powerful as the rumors say it is.

Sony has heavily invested on the most recent FF games.

But I agree, Square needs to release some modern FF games on Switch 2. As much as XVI has been hyped up to the max, it’s selling fine, not exceptional, which I’m sure Square Enix was hoping for.

It was supposed to be their Monster Hunter World and Breath of the Wild moment. I know there’s a difference between first and third parties, but Zelda, a franchise long compared with Final Fantasy, managed to reinvent itself with Breath of the Wild and Tears of the Kingdom and sell more copies combined than arguably the entire franchise ever sold prior to BOTW. XVI should be aiming for 10-12 million LTD in the end. I’m not sure it it’ll come close.

FF XVI imho severely lacks the scope and gameplay design to catapult them to MH World or BOTW level. It has no multi-player, it's not open world, don't have customization to engage players for a lot of time. It's basically a story driven action game, which Sony has a vast amount already 

It's the same reason of why Resident Evil is likely not outselling Monster Hunter again

True, the aspects of social/multiplayer and modern open world have changed the landscape of gaming that franchises had to keep up in order to maintain or expand their respective audiences. Hell, even if people nowadays question the quality of the latest games, the Pokémon franchise has found new audiences with their latest generations of games that Final Fantasy wished it could have.

And as what Soundwave said, unfortunately Sony may be quite influential within Square in regards to Final Fantasy. Square would have to be stubborn enough to say, hey somethings not working with this partnership. As you brought up Pikmin 4, here’s another example. FFVII remake, a long requested game and among the top desired games per Famitsu, was completely overshadowed by Animal Crossing New Horizons. A SOCIAL SIMULATION GAME! New Horizons ends up selling over 30 million worldwide and is the best selling game in Japan.,.EVER! While VII Remake did respectfully well, it wishes it got half of what New Horizons sold.

I know the circumstances were unique, but imagine more people wanting to spend time at home playing Animal Crossing instead of a highly requested JRPG remake. That’s wild. I’m sure it blows the mind of every hardcore gamer.



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Kai_Mao said:
IcaroRibeiro said:

FF XVI imho severely lacks the scope and gameplay design to catapult them to MH World or BOTW level. It has no multi-player, it's not open world, don't have customization to engage players for a lot of time. It's basically a story driven action game, which Sony has a vast amount already 

It's the same reason of why Resident Evil is likely not outselling Monster Hunter again

True, the aspects of social/multiplayer and modern open world have changed the landscape of gaming that franchises had to keep up in order to maintain or expand their respective audiences. Hell, even if people nowadays question the quality of the latest games, the Pokémon franchise has found new audiences with their latest generations of games that Final Fantasy wished it could have.

And as what Soundwave said, unfortunately Sony may be quite influential within Square in regards to Final Fantasy. Square would have to be stubborn enough to say, hey somethings not working with this partnership. As you brought up Pikmin 4, here’s another example. FFVII remake, a long requested game and among the top desired games per Famitsu, was completely overshadowed by Animal Crossing New Horizons. A SOCIAL SIMULATION GAME! New Horizons ends up selling over 30 million worldwide and is the best selling game in Japan.,.EVER! While VII Remake did respectfully well, it wishes it got half of what New Horizons sold.

I know the circumstances were unique, but imagine more people wanting to spend time at home playing Animal Crossing instead of a highly requested JRPG remake. That’s wild. I’m sure it blows the mind of every hardcore gamer.

I don't think Square-Enix really has to listen to Sony. They can just say we're not accepting money-hats that will prohibit our games from being on other platforms, what exactly is Sony going to do. They have a new president so I think things are going to change, their stock price has fallen off a cliff. 

FF7 Remake's sales honestly are a low key dud, I wonder why Square-Enix is so reluctant to update its sales after 5 million ... probably because it had no legs. This game released right as the pandemic was starting so it should have seen a boom in sales as people were basically locked inside, schools shut down, etc. etc., you can't ask for a better window of opportunity than that. Didn't the RE2 Remke top 10 million in sales? How in the world is FF7 not getting at least that much traction? 

Last edited by Soundwave - on 29 August 2023

Soundwave said:
Slownenberg said:

For sure agreed on that. Only problem is that, as you say, FF is sky high production value for consoles, meaning it'd be hard to put it on portables. Hopefully next gen Nintendo will close the gap a little bit with helpful tech like DLSS as compared to the Switch/XB1PS4 gap. If Sony can put FF on Nintendo without drastically downgrading or having to do a significantly different build then its a no brainer as it would make FF a major game in Japan again and give the FF many more millions of sales worldwide.

I think that's another area they're going to have to swallow their pride a bit. Having growing budgets while your sales are declining makes no sense. 

It should be very possible to make a Final Fantasy game that still looks great but can still run on a Switch 2, you're just going to have to plan things from the get go a bit better. A Switch 2 is going have a feature set that is comparable to a PS5, you just have to make sure it can scale settings wise (and DLSS can help a ton in that regard). For example 4K resolution on the PS5/XSX should be scalable to 360p undocked/720p docked native on Switch 2 which you can then use DLSS on  to bring up to 720p undocked, 1440p or 4K docked. Then for the PS5 version if there's any performance left over, you can just crank the ray tracing and that will quickly cripple a PS5/XBox Series X no sweat.

I think that's going to have to be Square-Enix's direction. If they can start to build an audience on the Switch that adds even 1-2 million+ copies per main line Final Fantasy game, that would be a huge change for them. Shit, a Switch 2 version of mainline FF games may add 500k-1 mill just in Japan alone. 

They need to get the series back to being at least a 2 million seller in Japan (let alone the 3+ million FF7/8 sold back in the day) because I don't think FF16 is leading to any kind of huge growth for the IP in the West as they hoped. 

I mean yes that is exactly what they SHOULD do. But until I start to see it I have no confidence third parties are gonna start putting current gen AAA games on Nintendo. It happens once in a blue moon. It would be great to see FF come back to Nintendo, and obviously it'd be a great business decision for the franchise, but it's a long shot as to that actually happening. Though who knows, Switch 2 might be the best chance to have this sort of thing happen since Nintendo went with lower powered systems starting with the Wii, so maybe they will, but after 20 years of waiting I'm just assuming they aren't gonna do it, no matter how obvious it is that it would be the right decision.



Which is why I’m kinda eery on what third parties (especially Japanese ones) will do with the Switch successor..
If it’s as powerful as rumored, then more PS4/Xbone games shouldn’t be an issue. But I’m a bit concerned that they’ll play the same playbook they used on the OG Switch, mostly ports from 2 gens ago (or older) as “test” games.
I should expect the remakes of FFVII, RE2, 3, and 4, Street Fighter VI, Elden Ring, King of Fighters XV, Kingdom Hearts (the whole damn series digitally/physically, not lazy cloud versions), Sekiro, etc. Yet, I worry the Switch 2 may only get 1-2 of those types of games come launch year, if ever. At this point, if the concept is mostly the same but powerful, what other excuses does Japanese third parties have left?



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Kai_Mao said:

Which is why I’m kinda eery on what third parties (especially Japanese ones) will do with the Switch successor..
If it’s as powerful as rumored, then more PS4/Xbone games shouldn’t be an issue. But I’m a bit concerned that they’ll play the same playbook they used on the OG Switch, mostly ports from 2 gens ago (or older) as “test” games.
I should expect the remakes of FFVII, RE2, 3, and 4, Street Fighter VI, Elden Ring, King of Fighters XV, Kingdom Hearts (the whole damn series digitally/physically, not lazy cloud versions), Sekiro, etc. Yet, I worry the Switch 2 may only get 1-2 of those types of games come launch year, if ever. At this point, if the concept is mostly the same but powerful, what other excuses does Japanese third parties have left?

The reason the Switch saw a few 3rd party games in it's first year was because publishers were very hesitant to bring games to it. They were unsure how the system would sell after the Wii U. The only company that went all out on Switch since day one was Koei Tecmo. Notable companies that were supportive since day one were Bethesda (surprisingly), Ubisoft, Square Enix, and Sega. The rest were obviously hesitant and didn't actively support the system until year two or three.

These companies are not going to make the same mistake with Nintendo's next system. We will see a ton of support in the first year.



Next week starts 2022's Switch Splatoon 3 boost, so the gap will grow again - but damn did 2023 get close to 2022 gain, shrinking the gap from over 500k to 150k.



Perhaps FF17 should be developed for the switch 2 and not Playstation.  



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