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Good on Saudi - Western superiority complex knows now bounds, as if they're the gatekeepers of objective morality. In the process of respecting a small group of people, you want to disrespect the position/values of entire nations lol. Such blatant hypocrisy that your media brainwashing won't let you see past.
| Pemalite said: On one hand you are saying we should remove harsh-penalties, which is a changing of tradition. |
Actually, while I agree with you on most points, I disagree here. We certainly should pick and choose which traditions to keep and which to abandon. We should abandon traditions that are harmful and hateful, like christian bullshit about homosexuality. But our life consists of lots of traditions, most of them far less visible, because we don't recognize them as long as we don't conflict. Speaking the same language as the people around us is a tradition (as we only do it, because our parents and ancestors did it). Wearing clothes in public is a tradition. Using money is a tradition. Making and eating certain foods is a tradition (easily recognizable, as in other regions other foods are preferred). So yeah, we can still love coffee (as this now is a traditional drink in many western societies) and reject hate on gay people. I decide to pick and choose that way. We could instead choose to establish a tradition of valuing diversity and inclusion, a tradition a lot of people and institutions actually working on (and depending on the context you already may consider it an established tradition).
And yes, traditions may change. The context may change so that once useful tradition become pointless or even harmful. New traditions are established, old abandoned or kept. But the thing is, you always will honor some traditions - even if you don't recognize them as such. And everyone including you picks and chooses which traditions to honor, which to ignore and which to abandon or to oppose.
| mhsillen said: A child who is 5 needs gender affirming care? A lot of people have gone through the surgery and have ended up worse off. Its for everyone to see on one of those cable shows that has followed a boy who had is man parts chopped off and she is a mess. the mom will not listen to her and her suffering. And their are alot of people who are the same way after getting this surgery. They are ignored by all the media as it goes against the narrative. Thats not gender affirming care. |
Sorry, but these things are way blown out proportion. In many cases gender affirming care simply means accepting crossdressing or other pronouns. Not surgery. Are there bad examples of things going wrong or too far? Sure, we live in a world with 8 billion people, you'll find examples for everything. But are they common? I doubt that.
The reality is, that gender dysphoria leads to distress, that causes depression, and depression is a big cause for death, because of suicide. If some simple measures helps reduce the distress and therefore reduce deaths, then why should we not do it? And if medical intervention, be it hormone therapy or surgery is decided by medical professionals on a case by case base as more beneficial than harmful, then yes we should allow it and even pay for it with health insurance (as this is exactly the thing these insurances exist for, to reduce avoidable harm).
Thing is, I want this to be decided by medical professionals and the involved person, not politician, talk show hosts and twitter. And I also point out that each case may have individual differences, nuances that are usually brushed over in public discussion, which paints it as a black and white issue. So you citing some anecdotal examples may have some base in reality (I am not aware of the cases), but the real question: do we more harm by allowing or generally forbidding gender affirming care? I think simply rejecting all gender affirming care is harming more people, because it still leaves the reasons for personal distress through gender dysphoria. I think medical professionals should create a framework on how to use the methods - as they do in other cases as well.


| nil8r153 said: Good on Saudi - Western superiority complex knows now bounds, as if they're the gatekeepers of objective morality. In the process of respecting a small group of people, you want to disrespect the position/values of entire nations lol. Such blatant hypocrisy that your media brainwashing won't let you see past. |
Uh no. Saudi Arabia is the one gatekeeping a game away because they don't like it. Square Enix is just a Japanese company that made a game. SA is the one gatekeeping people's freedoms to play said game.
Uh there's no hypocrisy. Respecting people's rights is not at odds with disrespecting authoritarian governments from pushing their views.
| mhsillen said: The only problem is certain states don't like the idea of mutilating young kids. Another thing why is it so important that young children need to know how some peope enjoy sex? Its like their training children |
You know Saudi are muslim, right? The religion most infamous for infant genital mutilation.
Seems like a hypocritical hill to die on...
| mhsillen said: There is a show about this very thing. A young boy had is penis removed now has a messy put together hole for a vagina. This girl now will never have an orgasm. This is mutalation. And this has happened to more than just her. Thats what i'm talking about. Not gay people. |
That is not the fault of the LGBT community. - Nor should they even get the blame.
That isn't what the LGBT community promotes.
At the end of the day, if PEOPLE make life-altering choices, PEOPLE better fucking own-up to their life-altering consequences.
The real solution is better education, better checks and balances at the medical level and better access to therapy, not criminalizing LGBT people because other people are ignorant and don't fully understand their childs current emotional/social needs.
Mnementh said:
Actually, while I agree with you on most points, I disagree here. We certainly should pick and choose which traditions to keep and which to abandon. We should abandon traditions that are harmful and hateful, like christian bullshit about homosexuality. But our life consists of lots of traditions, most of them far less visible, because we don't recognize them as long as we don't conflict. Speaking the same language as the people around us is a tradition (as we only do it, because our parents and ancestors did it). Wearing clothes in public is a tradition. Using money is a tradition. Making and eating certain foods is a tradition (easily recognizable, as in other regions other foods are preferred). So yeah, we can still love coffee (as this now is a traditional drink in many western societies) and reject hate on gay people. I decide to pick and choose that way. We could instead choose to establish a tradition of valuing diversity and inclusion, a tradition a lot of people and institutions actually working on (and depending on the context you already may consider it an established tradition). And yes, traditions may change. The context may change so that once useful tradition become pointless or even harmful. New traditions are established, old abandoned or kept. But the thing is, you always will honor some traditions - even if you don't recognize them as such. And everyone including you picks and chooses which traditions to honor, which to ignore and which to abandon or to oppose. |
But he doesn't want to abandon the harmful or hateful traditions, because they justify his bigotry against the LGBT community.
He only wants to remove harmful or hateful traditions that ONLY impact himself.
Ka-pi96 said:
You know Saudi are muslim, right? The religion most infamous for infant genital mutilation. Seems like a hypocritical hill to die on... |
I always that was a more Jewish thing... I know it's common in Christian households as well.
Maybe the common denominator is actually all middle-eastern, abrahamic religions like Islam, Christianity and Judaism? All essentially the same religion in the end with a few different twists.

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| nil8r153 said: Good on Saudi - Western superiority complex knows now bounds, as if they're the gatekeepers of objective morality. In the process of respecting a small group of people, you want to disrespect the position/values of entire nations lol. Such blatant hypocrisy that your media brainwashing won't let you see past. |
It's not about morality but reality.
LGBT people exist.
We're still waiting for evidence that religion isn't fiction.
And then it's a matter of whether a developer wants to compromise their vision for that reason.

Ka-pi96 said:
You know Saudi are muslim, right? The religion most infamous for infant genital mutilation. Seems like a hypocritical hill to die on... |
This is quite common in Judaism, Christianity and Islam. 80% of americans are circumcized.