Saudi Arabia in talks with SE for 8 months to get LGBT content censored

[Pemalite]

mhsillen said:

There is a show about this very thing. A young boy had is penis removed now has a messy put together hole for a vagina. This girl now will never have an orgasm. This is mutalation. And this has happened to more than just her. Thats what i'm talking about. Not gay people. 

That is not the fault of the LGBT community. - Nor should they even get the blame.
That isn't what the LGBT community promotes.

At the end of the day, if PEOPLE make life-altering choices, PEOPLE better fucking own-up to their life-altering consequences.

The real solution is better education, better checks and balances at the medical level and better access to therapy, not criminalizing LGBT people because other people are ignorant and don't fully understand their childs current emotional/social needs.

Mnementh said:

Pemalite said:

On one hand you are saying we should remove harsh-penalties, which is a changing of tradition.

But then you are decrying the changing of tradition.

Either you support tradition or you don't, that includes torture, mutilation, slavery and abuse of people, you don't get to pick and choose.

Actually, while I agree with you on most points, I disagree here. We certainly should pick and choose which traditions to keep and which to abandon. We should abandon traditions that are harmful and hateful, like christian bullshit about homosexuality. But our life consists of lots of traditions, most of them far less visible, because we don't recognize them as long as we don't conflict. Speaking the same language as the people around us is a tradition (as we only do it, because our parents and ancestors did it). Wearing clothes in public is a tradition. Using money is a tradition. Making and eating certain foods is a tradition (easily recognizable, as in other regions other foods are preferred). So yeah, we can still love coffee (as this now is a traditional drink in many western societies) and reject hate on gay people. I decide to pick and choose that way. We could instead choose to establish a tradition of valuing diversity and inclusion, a tradition a lot of people and institutions actually working on (and depending on the context you already may consider it an established tradition).

And yes, traditions may change. The context may change so that once useful tradition become pointless or even harmful. New traditions are established, old abandoned or kept. But the thing is, you always will honor some traditions - even if you don't recognize them as such. And everyone including you picks and chooses which traditions to honor, which to ignore and which to abandon or to oppose.

But he doesn't want to abandon the harmful or hateful traditions, because they justify his bigotry against the LGBT community.

He only wants to remove harmful or hateful traditions that ONLY impact himself.

Ka-pi96 said:

mhsillen said: The only problem is certain states don't like the idea of mutilating young kids. Another thing why is it so important that young children need to know how some peope enjoy sex? Its like their training children

You know Saudi are muslim, right? The religion most infamous for infant genital mutilation.

Seems like a hypocritical hill to die on...

I always that was a more Jewish thing... I know it's common in Christian households as well.

Maybe the common denominator is actually all middle-eastern, abrahamic religions like Islam, Christianity and Judaism? All essentially the same religion in the end with a few different twists.