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BasilZero said:
Leynos said:

 He had no taste. Like Eating Mcdonald's and Saltine crackers daily. yuck

Yeah no joke, dude was subbed to PS+ too just for MP for both games too lol

I cant imagine buying a game console for hundreds of dollars just for two games and then subbing to play those two said games lol.

I would have been burned out playing the same two games for that long.

Honestly multiplayer is so fun and addicting but it pisses me off so i stopped.



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BraLoD said:
BasilZero said:

Amazing, so tempted to watch that.

But I'll save myself for the game :)

That's literally watching 10 movies one after the other.

Actually, thinking about it that way, $70 is really cheap to watch a 10 part movie saga, lol.

I love FF cutscenes, if even 50% of those are good, that's really impressive.

more like 2 seasons of game of Thrones. Still a LOT of stuff but not bad when you see it that way. 

And there's a lot of cutscenes. Lots of gameplay, too. It's just a big game. It reminds me in some ways of God of War/Ragnarok in terms of the epic scale and combat/off-controller bits. Honestly, the criticism I see for this game makes no damn sense to me. Then again, people have been 'divided' on every Final Fantasy since 7 for some reason or another. 1-6 were all pretty medieval fantasy with a few tweaks on the turn based combat and levelling systems (With VI being steampunk). But 7 actually did have SOME people complaining about it being too modern. and 8 people complained even more. then people complained when 9 was too chibi/childish. then complained when 10 didn't have a world map, then complained when 11 was online, and complained when 12 had gambits and...

I need to stop expecting anything Final Fantasy to have universal acclaim. There's always gonna be SOME portion of the fanbase out there that doesn't like something about it and complains. Hell, even I do that with 13 (but that game's an atrocity so I'll leave it at that). 

Honestly, though, as a person who's been playing Final Fantasy since the 80s/90s, I can say this might be the most 'final fantasy' any game in the series has ever been. This and 9. yeah the combat system is action instead of turn based but so was 15 and VII Remake. And Final Fantasy has always tried different gameplay styles and tweaks on the formula. Being disappointed it's action instead of turn-based is reasonable. Hating the game or giving it a 0 is absurd. It succeeds in so many ways (Storytelling, writing, voice acting, music, gameplay, graphics, etc) that I can't fathom anyone giving it poor scores. Even those 6s on metacritic's official reviewers just seems absurd to me. 



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Runa216 said:
BraLoD said:

That's literally watching 10 movies one after the other.

Actually, thinking about it that way, $70 is really cheap to watch a 10 part movie saga, lol.

I love FF cutscenes, if even 50% of those are good, that's really impressive.

more like 2 seasons of game of Thrones. Still a LOT of stuff but not bad when you see it that way. 

And there's a lot of cutscenes. Lots of gameplay, too. It's just a big game. It reminds me in some ways of God of War/Ragnarok in terms of the epic scale and combat/off-controller bits. Honestly, the criticism I see for this game makes no damn sense to me. Then again, people have been 'divided' on every Final Fantasy since 7 for some reason or another. 1-6 were all pretty medieval fantasy with a few tweaks on the turn based combat and levelling systems (With VI being steampunk). But 7 actually did have SOME people complaining about it being too modern. and 8 people complained even more. then people complained when 9 was too chibi/childish. then complained when 10 didn't have a world map, then complained when 11 was online, and complained when 12 had gambits and...

I need to stop expecting anything Final Fantasy to have universal acclaim. There's always gonna be SOME portion of the fanbase out there that doesn't like something about it and complains. Hell, even I do that with 13 (but that game's an atrocity so I'll leave it at that). 

Honestly, though, as a person who's been playing Final Fantasy since the 80s/90s, I can say this might be the most 'final fantasy' any game in the series has ever been. This and 9. yeah the combat system is action instead of turn based but so was 15 and VII Remake. And Final Fantasy has always tried different gameplay styles and tweaks on the formula. Being disappointed it's action instead of turn-based is reasonable. Hating the game or giving it a 0 is absurd. It succeeds in so many ways (Storytelling, writing, voice acting, music, gameplay, graphics, etc) that I can't fathom anyone giving it poor scores. Even those 6s on metacritic's official reviewers just seems absurd to me. 

I think it got docked points cause it lacked diversity. personally for me the bad performance  mode and not hard difficulty made me change my mind and will wait for a discount.   



The large-scale fights are straight out of Bayonetta in FFXVI.  Esp Bayo 2 and 3, Just swap out the eikons for Maddam Butterfly and a big boss from B3 and it has a very similar presentation. Combat is a more simplified DMC style but not as in-depth. Which was a purposeful choice to get more people into it.

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Bite my shiny metal cockpit!

Runa216 said:
BraLoD said:

That's literally watching 10 movies one after the other.

Actually, thinking about it that way, $70 is really cheap to watch a 10 part movie saga, lol.

I love FF cutscenes, if even 50% of those are good, that's really impressive.

more like 2 seasons of game of Thrones. Still a LOT of stuff but not bad when you see it that way. 

And there's a lot of cutscenes. Lots of gameplay, too. It's just a big game. It reminds me in some ways of God of War/Ragnarok in terms of the epic scale and combat/off-controller bits. Honestly, the criticism I see for this game makes no damn sense to me. Then again, people have been 'divided' on every Final Fantasy since 7 for some reason or another. 1-6 were all pretty medieval fantasy with a few tweaks on the turn based combat and levelling systems (With VI being steampunk). But 7 actually did have SOME people complaining about it being too modern. and 8 people complained even more. then people complained when 9 was too chibi/childish. then complained when 10 didn't have a world map, then complained when 11 was online, and complained when 12 had gambits and...

I need to stop expecting anything Final Fantasy to have universal acclaim. There's always gonna be SOME portion of the fanbase out there that doesn't like something about it and complains. Hell, even I do that with 13 (but that game's an atrocity so I'll leave it at that). 

Honestly, though, as a person who's been playing Final Fantasy since the 80s/90s, I can say this might be the most 'final fantasy' any game in the series has ever been. This and 9. yeah the combat system is action instead of turn based but so was 15 and VII Remake. And Final Fantasy has always tried different gameplay styles and tweaks on the formula. Being disappointed it's action instead of turn-based is reasonable. Hating the game or giving it a 0 is absurd. It succeeds in so many ways (Storytelling, writing, voice acting, music, gameplay, graphics, etc) that I can't fathom anyone giving it poor scores. Even those 6s on metacritic's official reviewers just seems absurd to me. 

13 has a pretty good story and it had some nice battle mechanics.

It just sucks at being a rpg, you constantly feel limited in doing mostly anything, damn even getting weapon upgrades which should be basic is so rare in that game.

Still like it tho, was more dissapointed on 8 and 10 than 13, but those also have their good points as well.



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BraLoD said:

13 has a pretty good story and it had some nice battle mechanics.

It just sucks at being a rpg, you constantly feel limited in doing mostly anything, damn even getting weapon upgrades which should be basic is so rare in that game.

Still like it tho, was more dissapointed on 8 and 10 than 13, but those also have their good points as well.

99% of 13's story was relegated to Datalogs, meaning the game's plot was homework. None of the actual story was shown to the characters. Yes, the worldbuilding was great, as is all final Fantasy worlds, but none of it came across in the course of the game itself. Which is unacceptable for a game so linear. Honestly, the one good thing about linear games (And the reason I like them) is that the experience can be curated and controlled remarkably well, and FF13's story was not told well with characters that were developed off-screen. 

And its combat didn't really give you any agency. You got to pick one of 24 paradigms and hoped your party did what you wanted because everything went too fast for you to manually control it, unlike 12 where you could definitely control it manually without the gambit system, which allowed you to program your characters to act as you would in any given situation. 

I still to this day have no idea how anyone can see 13's combat system as anything other than garbage and a MASSIVE step down from 12's combat system.



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They should have brought back the ATE (Active Time Event) from Final Fantasy IX.

Basically Final Fantasy's version of the Tales Of Series' Skit system (except with characters outside the party as well).

Would have helped with the lore building rather than reading a bunch of text (for FFXIII I mean)



Runa216 said:

And its combat didn't really give you any agency. You got to pick one of 24 paradigms and hoped your party did what you wanted because everything went too fast for you to manually control it, unlike 12 where you could definitely control it manually without the gambit system, which allowed you to program your characters to act as you would in any given situation. 

I still to this day have no idea how anyone can see 13's combat system as anything other than garbage and a MASSIVE step down from 12's combat system.

While I agree with the issues with the narrative, I very much disagree with this. FF13's combat problems are that they take too long to really open up. When they do, it's a fantastic battle system. The hunts, in particular, an really push you to utilise the system as efficiently as possible. 

It's easily one of the best in the entire series (granted I prefer 12's too haha)



For me FF13's combat system, the only bad thing was the stagger system, just felt like it took forever - granted I probably had no idea what I was doing at the time.

Maybe I'll have a better understanding how it works when I play it again on Xbox or PC.

I remember I spent like close to an hour fighting that large helicopter tank boss in XIII.



All mainline Final Fantasy games I played and what I thought of them

FF 6 - Love
FF 7 - Love
FF 8 - Like
FF 9 - Love
FF 10 - Love
FF 12 - Like (Amazing battle system, but one of the worst RPG's stories I ever played if not the worst)
FF 13 - Like
FF 15 - I don't like it at all
FF 16 - So far love.