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sc94597 said:

It is pretty obvious that if they had anything remotely alluding to actual left-wing politics, they would release it. Trump has a hatred for the left (likely because of the 2020 protests) that he didn't really have as much in his first term. He also has a strong motivation to coin an enemy.

The difficult part is that it isn't believable at all amongst non-MAGA that there is a real communist threat. Communism has never been weaker as a movement. This is very unlike 1920's and 30's Germany (or even 1930's U.S) where communism was a real threat to the extant systems.

The right is trying to treat "woke" ideas as the new communism, but nobody really cares about woke that much. Radical cultural liberalism isn't a threat to capitalism.

Socialism is very strong in the US. For example, Trump just ensured the us government has a 10% interest in Intel. That's pretty socialist.



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Anyway, I'm going to bow out of this thread again. I rarely came once I didn't have to for moderation reasons, because I get too invested. Just letting you know so that if anyone is writing a response to me, you can decide whether or not to spend the time on it.

I do think in retrospect I would have changed some of my earlier posts. I think in the future, I will wait at least a week to comment on these things. Easy to get caught up in the emotion.

At any rate, I genuinely wish everyone here, regardless of your affiliation, a happy and healthy life where you strive to make things better for yourself and those around you.



JWeinCom said:

How is it Israeli propaganda when it is literally in their charter? The updated version you just posted? The most charitable interpretation is that they want an Islamic state that encompasses present day Israel which would allow Israelis to remain.

SvennoJ said:

That's mostly Israeli propaganda. Hamas was formed after Likud adopted the slogan as their party platform. Hamas turned it around and made it rhyme for it to catch on. "From the river to the sea, Palestine shall be free."

The original Hamas platform was very reactionary, they updated their party platform in 2017

https://www.wilsoncenter.org/article/doctrine-hamas

In 2017, a revised Hamas manifesto included three departures from the 1988 charter, former U.S. diplomat Aaron David Miller told The Islamists. First, Hamas accepted the establishment of a Palestinian state separate from Israel —although only provisionally. Its statement on principles and policies said, “Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.â€Â Second, it attempted to distinguish between Jews or Judaism and modern Zionism. Hamas said that its fight was against the “racist, aggressive, colonial and expansionistâ€Â Zionist project, Israel, but not against Judaism or Jews. The updated platform also lacked some of the anti-Semitic language of the 1988 charter. Third, the document did not reference the Palestinian Muslim Brotherhood, from which Hamas was originally an offshoot.


Here is the 'Zionist' propaganda

https://www.adl.org/resources/article/hamas-its-own-words

Since its founding in the late 1980s, Hamas has been promoting rhetoric and policies aimed at destroying the Jewish state of Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. This is evident in their founding charter, which cites the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery as “proof” of a Zionist plot to control the world. It remains true after Hamas released a new charter in 2017, which essentially simply swapped the word “Jew” out and replaced it with “Zionist” while repeating antisemitic tropes. 


Here is the Hamas version:

https://irp.fas.org/world/para/docs/hamas-2017.pdf

16. Hamas affirms that its conflict is with the Zionist project not with the Jews because of their religion. Hamas does not wage a struggle against the Jews because they are Jewish but wages a struggle against the Zionists who occupy Palestine. Yet, it is the Zionists who constantly identify Judaism and the Jews with their own colonial project and illegal entity.

17. Hamas rejects the persecution of any human being or the undermining of his or her rights on nationalist, religious or sectarian grounds. Hamas is of the view that the Jewish problem, anti-Semitism and the persecution of the Jews are phenomena fundamentally linked to European history and not to the history of the Arabs and the Muslims or to their heritage. The Zionist movement, which was able with the help of Western powers to occupy Palestine, is the most dangerous form of settlement occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

While they indeed reject the occupation from the start and state all of Palestine (prior 1947) shall be free, here are the concessions:

20. Hamas believes that no part of the land of Palestine shall be compromised or conceded, irrespective of the causes, the circumstances and the pressures and no matter how long the occupation lasts. Hamas rejects any alternative to the full and complete liberation of Palestine, from the river to the sea. However, without compromising its rejection of the Zionist entity and without relinquishing any Palestinian rights, Hamas considers the establishment of a fully sovereign and independent Palestinian state, with Jerusalem as its capital along the lines of the 4th of June 1967, with the return of the refugees and the displaced to their
homes from which they were expelled, to be a formula of national consensus.

Which would be this 2 state solution
https://www.britannica.com/topic/two-state-solution



Anyway I'm not here to defend Hamas, they need to relinquish power as they have said they will do. Hence the technocratic interim government proposal until fair elections can be held.

Marwan Barghouti is the most popular Palestinian 'leader' atm, he should be freed so he can form a new political party.
https://www.britannica.com/biography/Marwan-Barghouti

Netanyahu and his Likud party are the problem

Netanyahu vows there will be no Palestinian state ahead of UN meeting
https://abcnews.go.com/International/netanyahu-vowsthere-palestinian-stateahead-meeting/story?id=125489981

"This place is ours," Netanyahu said at a settlement expansion celebration.


2015 Israel’s PM Netanyahu: No Palestinian state on my watch
https://edition.cnn.com/2015/03/16/middleeast/israel-netanyahu-palestinian-state

The prospect of a Palestinian state is nil so long as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu stays in office, Netanyahu said in a Monday interview.


2013 Binyamin Netanyahu rejects calls for Palestinian state within 1967 lines
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/20/binyamin-netanyahu-palestinian-state-1967

Binyamin Netanyahu has vowed to rebuff international demands to allow a Palestinian state with a border based on the pre-1967 Green Line and its capital in East Jerusalem, as hardline pro-settler parties and factions are expected to make unprecedented gains in Tuesday's election.


In 2009 he pretended to be up for a Palestinian state, except it would not be a sovereign state.

Netanyahu backs an independent Palestinian state for first time
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/jun/14/binyamin-netanyahu-israel-palestinian-state

The Israeli prime minister, Binyamin Netanyahu, last night said for the first time he would accept an independent Palestinian state, but only on condition it was demilitarised and that the Palestinians recognised Israel as the state of the Jewish people.

In a key policy speech intended to address growing US pressure for a move towards peace in the Middle East, Netanyahu defended Israel's position and said he wanted to make peace, but despite his mention of a Palestinian state he offered few substantial concessions.

He praised the Jewish settlers who live in east Jerusalem and on the occupied West Bank and refused US calls for a halt to all settlement growth. He also said Palestinian refugees, who were forced out or fled from their homes during the 1948 war, would not be allowed to return to what is today Israel. Jerusalem, he said, must remain united under Israeli control.

His conditions were strict. He said the Palestinians could not form an army or control their own airspace, or sign military agreements with other states. He mentioned a Palestinian state only once and at other times talked only of areas under Palestinian control, saying the Palestinians could have their own "flag, anthem and administration".

Israel’s Ruling Party Rejects Palestinian State, Arabs Reaffirm Peace Plan
2002 https://adc.org/israels-ruling-party-rejects-palestinian-state-arabs-reaffirm-peace-plan/

The Central Committee of the Likud, the party which leads Israel’s coalition government, yesterday voted that “No Palestinian state will be created west of the Jordan [River].” The vote passed by 59% to 41%. Supporters of the resolution, led by former Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, insisted that Israel would never permit an independent Palestinian state of any kind in any part of historical Palestine.


1998 https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1998/05/25/benjamin-netanyahu-the-outsider

The left, of course, cannot bear Netanyahu. In their view, Bibi has “killed the peace,” eradicated the historical chance symbolized by the 1993 and 1995 Oslo accords with the Palestinians. Bibi’s enemies see him as an incompetent, unimaginative, and cynical politician with a singular gift for staying in office. “Netanyahu knows very well what he wants,” Uri Savir, who had been Rabin’s chief negotiator in Oslo, told me, “and the main thing is to steer Israel in the direction of a mutual-deterrence policy, because he does not really believe in real peace. He does not believe in a new quality of relations. He also sees everything through the eyes of a political animal and he wants to be reëlected. Everything he does is to play to his right-wing constituency. To appeal to them, he uses the buzzwords that appeal to their ghetto mentality.”


1991 https://www.wrmea.org/1991-july/binyamin-netanyahu-the-joe-isuzu-of-the-middle-east-media-wars.html

Familiar with television's need for "good copy" and with American cultural codes, Netanyahu constructed a contradiction in terms: a Likud with a human face. The American television viewer does not have to face such realities of the Likud policies as the violent suppression of the Palestinian population and the long-term plans of annexing the Arab territories and expelling their population to the "Palestinian state" of Jordan. With a few simplistic slogans, Netanyahu suggests that happy days are here again, as far as the American-Israeli relationship is concerned. The Soviet menace has disappeared, but there are, thank God, new villains that, together, Israel and the United States can contain, such as Islamic fundamentalism and Saddam Hussain.


...

To exploit personally these Israel-inspired foreign policy orientations, Netanyahu launched in 1979 the "Jonathan Institute. " Named after his late brother, and masked as an academic "think tank," the institute opened offices in Washington, New York and Jerusalem, with the goal of influencing US and other Western opinion makers. According to Edward Herman and Gerry O'Sullivan, writing in their study, The "Terrorism " Industry, the institute serves as a "virtual arm of the Israeli state." Its "main activity from its birth was the organization of conferences, carefully designed to bring sympathetic leaders, experts and journalists to get across the message: the PLO is a terrorist organization, and the Soviet Union is its parent and supporter."

Of course nowadays it's Iran instead of the Soviet Union.


It is literally in the Likud charter
https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/original-party-platform-of-the-likud-party

It's a colonial platform towards an ethnocentric state. 



JWeinCom said:
sc94597 said:

It is pretty obvious that if they had anything remotely alluding to actual left-wing politics, they would release it. Trump has a hatred for the left (likely because of the 2020 protests) that he didn't really have as much in his first term. He also has a strong motivation to coin an enemy.

The difficult part is that it isn't believable at all amongst non-MAGA that there is a real communist threat. Communism has never been weaker as a movement. This is very unlike 1920's and 30's Germany (or even 1930's U.S) where communism was a real threat to the extant systems.

The right is trying to treat "woke" ideas as the new communism, but nobody really cares about woke that much. Radical cultural liberalism isn't a threat to capitalism.

Socialism is very strong in the US. For example, Trump just ensured the us government has a 10% interest in Intel. That's pretty socialist.

Even if we consider mixed-ownership (alone) to be socialism (which those of us who are socialists disagree is necessarily the case) it is still far from communism. It is mostly just mild democratic socialist polices, when partially implemented (like the TVA, and post-office, as prior examples.) 

Communists and other radical socialist want to abolish (or outmode) the dominant relationship of production that defines capitalism -- wage labor. We are further away from that happening than we were in the 1930's -- when there was a real threat of mass expropriation of the means of production. 



sc94597 said:
JRPGfan said:

He lived with a Trans partner (romantically).
He got visits (in and out) from out of state, trans individuals like two weeks before all this went down.
Neighbor eyewitnesses claim "they were giving off a bad vibe".
Supposedly 6 individuals tied to visits of him, had prior knowledge of the shooting. (insidewire claims fbi is investigating it)

One of them, calls themselves Skylar Webster (not their real name, but self chosen one), wrote:
"You guys... I have something BIG coming soon. Just be sure the check the news, you'll know it when see it wink smily"
(that was 5 days before the shooting)

Like Minuets after the shooting he followed up with:
"Well that's that"  and "another chud bities the dust"

Then going onto do a +like train on any post celebrating the shooting.


Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r-6iiZgQO8

Your probably not going to like the guy's video, hes very fight leaning.


"The current best attempt is claiming that after living his whole life in Maga world, one semester at a university turned him into a cold blooded killer."

Nah, he grew up surrounded by right leaning people, probably opposed to "being gay" "furries" and trans individuals.
Guy just kept quiet. He was/is gay found himself a trans boyfriend (girlfriend?)... and that was that.
That's likely not just 1 semester... its living his life suppressing his feelings, and meeting other left wing people that encouraged violence.

The trans partner undoubtedly knew about this, along with these people that visited him and maybe supplied him with weapons ect.

Yes the left does seem like it commits less violence, overall. However it can still happen.

Living and having a transgender partner doesn't mean you are left-wing. Otherwise, all of Blair White's boyfriends would be left-wing. 

There are plenty of hyper-masc (or aspirationally hyper-masc), right-wingers who fetishize transgender people. You can go on Grindr and find half a dozen of them in 30 minutes. Many have American flags in their bios, which implies they're right-wing/conservative in that context (or they travel abroad often and they're expressing that they're American, but usually the prior.) 

Not saying that this is the case here, but having a trans partner isn't as much of a political-identifier in the U.S as you would think. No more or less than Kirk having a black best friend (Candace Owens) means he wasn't racist toward black women. 

Being DJT doesn't make him Rep, Con, or Nazi. Politicians change parties because they were always politically closeted or just flat out full of sh*t.

If we only had solid evidence through decent enough reporting, something greatly lacking for decades, we'd all know for certain what he falls under.

As for the MSM, can't be sure which side they're on either...

Not saying anything is the case, but...



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EricHiggin said:
sc94597 said:

Living and having a transgender partner doesn't mean you are left-wing. Otherwise, all of Blair White's boyfriends would be left-wing. 

There are plenty of hyper-masc (or aspirationally hyper-masc), right-wingers who fetishize transgender people. You can go on Grindr and find half a dozen of them in 30 minutes. Many have American flags in their bios, which implies they're right-wing/conservative in that context (or they travel abroad often and they're expressing that they're American, but usually the prior.) 

Not saying that this is the case here, but having a trans partner isn't as much of a political-identifier in the U.S as you would think. No more or less than Kirk having a black best friend (Candace Owens) means he wasn't racist toward black women. 

Being DJT doesn't make him Rep, Con, or Nazi. Politicians change parties because they were always politically closeted or just flat out full of sh*t.

If we only had solid evidence through decent enough reporting, something greatly lacking for decades, we'd all know for certain what he falls under.

As for the MSM, can't be sure which side they're on either...

Not saying anything is the case, but...

Correct. Being DJT in 1995 didn't make him a Republican, Conservative, or Nazi. Being DJT in 2025 means he is a Republican (because he explicitly chose that affiliation), and fascist (because he subscribes, albeit inconsistently/self-interestedly, to an ideology of palingenetic ultranationalism in the form of "make America great again") 

The mainstream corporate media is biased toward the established center of power, whomever that might be at any time. They're certainly not professing "the liberation of the working class is the job of the worker alone."



JRPGfan said:

He lived with a Trans partner (romantically).
He got visits (in and out) from out of state, trans individuals like two weeks before all this went down.
Neighbor eyewitnesses claim "they were giving off a bad vibe".
Supposedly 6 individuals tied to visits of him, had prior knowledge of the shooting. (insidewire claims fbi is investigating it)

One of them, calls themselves Skylar Webster (not their real name, but self chosen one), wrote:
"You guys... I have something BIG coming soon. Just be sure the check the news, you'll know it when see it wink smily"
(that was 5 days before the shooting)

Like Minuets after the shooting he followed up with:
"Well that's that"  and "another chud bities the dust"

Then going onto do a +like train on any post celebrating the shooting.


Source : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-r-6iiZgQO8

Your probably not going to like the guy's video, hes very fight leaning.


"The current best attempt is claiming that after living his whole life in Maga world, one semester at a university turned him into a cold blooded killer."

Nah, he grew up surrounded by right leaning people, probably opposed to "being gay" "furries" and trans individuals.
Guy just kept quiet. He was/is gay found himself a trans boyfriend (girlfriend?)... and that was that.
That's likely not just 1 semester... its living his life suppressing his feelings, and meeting other left wing people that encouraged violence.

The trans partner undoubtedly knew about this, along with these people that visited him and maybe supplied him with weapons ect.

Yes the left does seem like it commits less violence, overall. However it can still happen.

I am going to respond here, because this post of yours is similar to what you posted in response to me in the thread about the state of the forums.

Transsexuality and homosexuality are not left ideologies nor are they left ways to live your life. So when someone is like that, it tells you absolutely nothing about their political views.

It's a wrong assumption to believe that the assassination of a far-right activist must have been committed by someone with left political views, and the same holds true vice versa. Once you enter the area of extremism - which is where Charlie Kirk is located in when it comes to politics - then Kirk being not extreme enough suffices as a reason to kill him.

The reason why far-right thinking leads to many more killings than far-left thinking is because the far-right's most common form (fascism) is explicitly about killing and getting rid of political opponents or groups of people who don't fit a clearly defined racial profile. The far-left has no such equivalent, hence why both sides are not the same despite both having extreme political views.

As general advice, you should not put yourself in a position where you think along the lines of left vs. right, because that's the path to drifting towards extremism over a prolonged period of time. The battle is reasonable vs. unreasonable, so the broad middle of society can actually agree on a lot of things.



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JWeinCom said:
sc94597 said:

It is pretty obvious that if they had anything remotely alluding to actual left-wing politics, they would release it. Trump has a hatred for the left (likely because of the 2020 protests) that he didn't really have as much in his first term. He also has a strong motivation to coin an enemy.

The difficult part is that it isn't believable at all amongst non-MAGA that there is a real communist threat. Communism has never been weaker as a movement. This is very unlike 1920's and 30's Germany (or even 1930's U.S) where communism was a real threat to the extant systems.

The right is trying to treat "woke" ideas as the new communism, but nobody really cares about woke that much. Radical cultural liberalism isn't a threat to capitalism.

Socialism is very strong in the US. For example, Trump just ensured the us government has a 10% interest in Intel. That's pretty socialist.

By that measure Luxembourg would be a communist country, considering that the state has a stake in every single major Luxembourgish company. And that's in general between 30% and 50% of the company, so more than a blocking minority (which is around 15%) and enough to have a say in operations of the company.

That said, they tend to be rather hands-off with those companies unless shit hits the fan. And in some of those cases, the state has actually helped create those companies in the first place, like SES for instance.

The best part: From the dividends the state is earning tens of millions each year from those companies additional to the taxes they pay. Which is one of the reasons why Luxembourg has lower taxes: the income from those companies dividends actually amount to a couple percent of the total income of the state, so the taxes can be lowered yet not lose out on income.



Bofferbrauer2 said:
JWeinCom said:

Socialism is very strong in the US. For example, Trump just ensured the us government has a 10% interest in Intel. That's pretty socialist.

By that measure Luxembourg would be a communist country, considering that the state has a stake in every single major Luxembourgish company. And that's in general between 30% and 50% of the company, so more than a blocking minority (which is around 15%) and enough to have a say in operations of the company.

That said, they tend to be rather hands-off with those companies unless shit hits the fan. And in some of those cases, the state has actually helped create those companies in the first place, like SES for instance.

The best part: From the dividends the state is earning tens of millions each year from those companies additional to the taxes they pay. Which is one of the reasons why Luxembourg has lower taxes: the income from those companies dividends actually amount to a couple percent of the total income of the state, so the taxes can be lowered yet not lose out on income.

Americans' taxes aren't going to be lowered at the federal level because of whatever profits Intel makes. That money is going straight into the pocket of the donor class. On the other hand, American taxpayers will eat whatever losses Intel incurs. 

At the state level, some states don't have an income tax. Texas and Florida don't. Texas has oil, Florida has tourism. Nevada also doesn't have an income tax due to tourism, though Vegas's tourism has cratered this year because... well, you know. On the other hand, they make it up with some of the worst property taxes in the country, extensive toll roads, and during the 2021 ice storm in Texas, the state's power authority, ERCOT, slapped a lot of customers with bills in the thousands due to the pricing algorithm.

Alaska has the Alaska Permanent Fund, which is a sovereign wealth fund that pays all qualified residents a dividend based on resource extraction. However, this dividend was $1702 last year, which, given the high cost of living in Alaska, basically amounts to a windfall to catch up on bills or blow it on fun stuff. 



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