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JohnVG said:
Ryuu96 said:

Listening to all the insane shit that is coming out of RFK Jr's mouth and his advisors, I hope we start checking Americans travelling abroad for their vaccination records once RFK Jr comes into power, if there is any sanity left in America his appointment would be blocked but I think we're beyond that. The shit they're saying about vaccines is fucking insane. America can fuck up its own country but don't bring your antivax morons to my country. It's not enough to have guns killing children, time to bring back deadly diseases!

Trump To Discuss Ending Childhood Vaccination Programs With RFK Jr. | Reuters

RFK Jr.’s Lawyer Has Asked the FDA to Revoke Polio Vaccine Approval - The New York Times

You truly seem to be confident on the Big US Pharma. Hurray for you.

Never seen the arguments Big Pharma told publicly in the European Parliament debate, about COVID vaccines?
They basically used an emergency created by a virus (NOW, after 5 years, NOW, mostly accepted by experts to be modified/created in a lab, just for "fun"... I mean, just for "make science", like Glados from Portal series would), to vax crap with no test at all, using a new (so, dangerous) technology like ARN vaccines are... to everyone.

And persecuting in general media people who did not want to get that, during 2 years or more. Or even worse, prosecuting them in some countries. And all that crazyness, for an illness that... from the very beginning, always seemed to be just a new kind of Flu that practically everyone not very old, with no serious health problems, could survive pretty well with no consequences and no help of vaccines.

But your love for Big Pharma is truly an inspirational story. Like Romeo and Juliet.

(And I'm vaccinated, by the way)

Well for starters I'm not American so I don't care about "Big US Pharma"

Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs. I don't believe the origin of the virus has a definitive explanation, only a bunch of different theories, infected animals sold at a market or a laboratory leak are two often spoken about. As far as I can see from a brief look, the most accepted theory is not that it was created/modified in a lab, even the lab leak theory is considered extremely unlikely due to all the safety precautions. Also it is far more likely a Zoonotic jump than "created" by humans. Truth is we likely won't ever know for certain.

The COVID vaccines were tested in clinical trials so you're wrong there as well. mRNA vaccine has had research into it since the 1970s. It just never received much funding until recently because we already had other forms of vaccination. I'm glad it's getting some more attention into it now, mRNA vaccines are impressive stuff and could lead to brilliant advancements in medicine, unless the antivax morons stop it. 

I'm vaccinated too, Pfizer, multiple shots. I'm not in love with Big Pharma, I just understand basic medicine and science, learnt about vaccines in High School and College and trust the actual doctors and scientific community more than morons on YouTube and Twitter. COVID was a serious illness which killed over 7m people and caused multiple issues long-term to even those who have survived. I got the vaccine, partly for my own safety but also because I'm not a selfish human being who only cares about himself and understands the concept of herd immunity.

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But I like how you've focused only on COVID when my post was about ending vaccines for Polio (if you support that, then you're insane) and ending Childhood Vaccinations, things which have been tried and tested for dozens of years and shown as effective at what they do, things that are preventing the return of diseases far more serious than COVID...But you spend your entire post whining about COVID? Interesting that.

Actually why am I bothering to talk about COVID at all.

Do you support ending Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccine?

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Ryuu96 said:
JohnVG said:

You truly seem to be confident on the Big US Pharma. Hurray for you.

Never seen the arguments Big Pharma told publicly in the European Parliament debate, about COVID vaccines?
They basically used an emergency created by a virus (NOW, after 5 years, NOW, mostly accepted by experts to be modified/created in a lab, just for "fun"... I mean, just for "make science", like Glados from Portal series would), to vax crap with no test at all, using a new (so, dangerous) technology like ARN vaccines are... to everyone.

And persecuting in general media people who did not want to get that, during 2 years or more. Or even worse, prosecuting them in some countries. And all that crazyness, for an illness that... from the very beginning, always seemed to be just a new kind of Flu that practically everyone not very old, with no serious health problems, could survive pretty well with no consequences and no help of vaccines.

But your love for Big Pharma is truly an inspirational story. Like Romeo and Juliet.

(And I'm vaccinated, by the way)

Well for starters I'm not American so I don't care about "Big US Pharma"

Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs. I don't believe the origin of the virus has a definitive explanation, only a bunch of different theories, infected animals sold at a market or a laboratory leak are two often spoken about. As far as I can see from a brief look, the most accepted theory is not that it was created/modified in a lab, even the lab leak theory is considered extremely unlikely due to all the safety precautions. Also it is far more likely a Zoonotic jump than "created" by humans. Truth is we likely won't ever know for certain.

The COVID vaccines were tested in clinical trials so you're wrong there as well. mRNA vaccine has had research into it since the 1970s. It just never received much funding until recently because we already had other forms of vaccination. I'm glad it's getting some more attention into it now, mRNA vaccines are impressive stuff and could lead to brilliant advancements in medicine, unless the antivax morons stop it. 

I'm vaccinated too, Pfizer, multiple shots. I'm not in love with Big Pharma, I just understand basic medicine and science, learnt about vaccines in High School and College and trust the actual doctors and scientific community more than morons on YouTube and Twitter. COVID was a serious illness which killed over 7m people and caused multiple issues long-term to even those who have survived. I got the vaccine, partly for my own safety but also because I'm not a selfish human being who only cares about himself and understands the concept of herd immunity.

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But I like how you've focused only on COVID when my post was about ending vaccines for Polio (if you support that, then you're insane) and ending Childhood Vaccinations, things which have been tried and tested for dozens of years and shown as effective at what they do, things that are preventing the return of diseases far more serious than COVID...But you spend your entire post whining about COVID? Interesting that.

Actually why am I bothering to talk about COVID at all.

Do you support ending Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccine?

I'm in support of taking down ALL PRIVATE BIG PHARMA industry, and search about the huge amounts of corruption inside them, returning all its money to the public institutions from they are sucking BILLIONS of money to make CRAP and trying to sell it for its private interests. And Prosecute the criminals directing those private companies, executing them if the law permits it.

My change of opinion about them is caused by the HUGE despise to the public they showed constinuosly during COVID crisis. They seem to HATE the common people: COVID vaccines were insecure, and in some cases, extremely dangerous and most probably killed LOTS of people and saved 0: search about what happened in Europe with Astrazeneca vaccine, killing young people (20-30 year olds) with agressive and bloody brain strokes always around 20-30 days after taking that vaccine, and suffering painfully during those weeks. And this is NOT a fake story.


That vaccine alone created an hysteria and was officially abandoned by some countries after some weeks/months. US never used it, even when they buyed lots of it, precisely because of that precedent.

"Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs."
Congrats on you for being so distasteful: If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals. You are welcome.


Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored. NO private interests there anymore. Health is a HUMAN RIGHT.



JohnVG said:
Ryuu96 said:

Well for starters I'm not American so I don't care about "Big US Pharma"

Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs. I don't believe the origin of the virus has a definitive explanation, only a bunch of different theories, infected animals sold at a market or a laboratory leak are two often spoken about. As far as I can see from a brief look, the most accepted theory is not that it was created/modified in a lab, even the lab leak theory is considered extremely unlikely due to all the safety precautions. Also it is far more likely a Zoonotic jump than "created" by humans. Truth is we likely won't ever know for certain.

The COVID vaccines were tested in clinical trials so you're wrong there as well. mRNA vaccine has had research into it since the 1970s. It just never received much funding until recently because we already had other forms of vaccination. I'm glad it's getting some more attention into it now, mRNA vaccines are impressive stuff and could lead to brilliant advancements in medicine, unless the antivax morons stop it. 

I'm vaccinated too, Pfizer, multiple shots. I'm not in love with Big Pharma, I just understand basic medicine and science, learnt about vaccines in High School and College and trust the actual doctors and scientific community more than morons on YouTube and Twitter. COVID was a serious illness which killed over 7m people and caused multiple issues long-term to even those who have survived. I got the vaccine, partly for my own safety but also because I'm not a selfish human being who only cares about himself and understands the concept of herd immunity.

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But I like how you've focused only on COVID when my post was about ending vaccines for Polio (if you support that, then you're insane) and ending Childhood Vaccinations, things which have been tried and tested for dozens of years and shown as effective at what they do, things that are preventing the return of diseases far more serious than COVID...But you spend your entire post whining about COVID? Interesting that.

Actually why am I bothering to talk about COVID at all.

Do you support ending Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccine?

I'm in support of taking down ALL PRIVATE BIG PHARMA industry, and search about the huge amounts of corruption inside them, returning all its money to the public institutions from they are sucking BILLIONS of money to make CRAP and trying to sell it for its private interests. And Prosecute the criminals directing those private companies, executing them if the law permits it.

My change of opinion about them is caused by the HUGE despise to the public they showed constinuosly during COVID crisis. They seem to HATE the common people: COVID vaccines were insecure, and in some cases, extremely dangerous and most probably killed LOTS of people and saved 0: search about what happened in Europe with Astrazeneca vaccine, killing young people (20-30 year olds) with agressive and bloody brain strokes always around 20-30 days after taking that vaccine, and suffering painfully during those weeks. And this is NOT a fake story.


That vaccine alone created an hysteria and was officially abandoned by some countries after some weeks/months. US never used it, even when they buyed lots of it, precisely because of that precedent.

"Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs."
Congrats on you for being so distasteful: If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals. You are welcome.


Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored. NO private interests there anymore. Health is a HUMAN RIGHT.

Did you just try to tell us that the vaccines saved exactly 0 people and think you should be believed telling us that the vaccines killed so many people? I mean, sure, there will be some who died from it but it still easily saved many more lives as it took.

But why should someone even try to argue with someone who comes up with such a ridiculous claim of "it saved 0 lives around the world". You might have read some studies about how it's not proven because, well, how shall you prove that some specific person would have died otherwise, right? That you can't prove that person XY would have died otherwise doesn't mean that it didn't save lives. You obviously can't prove that someone would definitely die.

And as someone from Germany who very well followed every spike in deaths and hospitalizations in clinics and when they went out of free beds I could very easily see how the vaccines helped to reduce these numbers. I didn't even have to read about anything, I just had to check the numbers and talk to people working in those hospitals.  



crissindahouse said:
JohnVG said:

I'm in support of taking down ALL PRIVATE BIG PHARMA industry, and search about the huge amounts of corruption inside them, returning all its money to the public institutions from they are sucking BILLIONS of money to make CRAP and trying to sell it for its private interests. And Prosecute the criminals directing those private companies, executing them if the law permits it.

My change of opinion about them is caused by the HUGE despise to the public they showed constinuosly during COVID crisis. They seem to HATE the common people: COVID vaccines were insecure, and in some cases, extremely dangerous and most probably killed LOTS of people and saved 0: search about what happened in Europe with Astrazeneca vaccine, killing young people (20-30 year olds) with agressive and bloody brain strokes always around 20-30 days after taking that vaccine, and suffering painfully during those weeks. And this is NOT a fake story.


That vaccine alone created an hysteria and was officially abandoned by some countries after some weeks/months. US never used it, even when they buyed lots of it, precisely because of that precedent.

"Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs."
Congrats on you for being so distasteful: If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals. You are welcome.


Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored. NO private interests there anymore. Health is a HUMAN RIGHT.

Did you just try to tell us that the vaccines saved exactly 0 people and think you should be believed telling us that the vaccines killed so many people? I mean, sure, there will be some who died from it but it still easily saved many more lives as it took.

But why should someone even try to argue with someone who comes up with such a ridiculous claim of "it saved 0 lives around the world". You might have read some studies about how it's not proven because, well, how shall you prove that some specific person would have died otherwise, right? That you can't prove that person XY would have died otherwise doesn't mean that it didn't save lives. You obviously can't prove that someone would definitely die.

And as someone from Germany who very well followed every spike in deaths and hospitalizations in clinics and when they went out of free beds I could very easily see how the vaccines helped to reduce these numbers. I didn't even have to read about anything, I just had to check the numbers and talk to people working in those hospitals.  

2 questions:

1. A late stage cancer patient, or a patient with a failing heart, develops Covid-19 and dies.  Is it not possible that any death slotted under "Covid-19" could have been caused by an underlying health condition?  

2. Why ought we believe the majority of mainstream media when it's proven disingenuous and often untruthful?



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JohnVG said:
Ryuu96 said:

Well for starters I'm not American so I don't care about "Big US Pharma"

Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs. I don't believe the origin of the virus has a definitive explanation, only a bunch of different theories, infected animals sold at a market or a laboratory leak are two often spoken about. As far as I can see from a brief look, the most accepted theory is not that it was created/modified in a lab, even the lab leak theory is considered extremely unlikely due to all the safety precautions. Also it is far more likely a Zoonotic jump than "created" by humans. Truth is we likely won't ever know for certain.

The COVID vaccines were tested in clinical trials so you're wrong there as well. mRNA vaccine has had research into it since the 1970s. It just never received much funding until recently because we already had other forms of vaccination. I'm glad it's getting some more attention into it now, mRNA vaccines are impressive stuff and could lead to brilliant advancements in medicine, unless the antivax morons stop it. 

I'm vaccinated too, Pfizer, multiple shots. I'm not in love with Big Pharma, I just understand basic medicine and science, learnt about vaccines in High School and College and trust the actual doctors and scientific community more than morons on YouTube and Twitter. COVID was a serious illness which killed over 7m people and caused multiple issues long-term to even those who have survived. I got the vaccine, partly for my own safety but also because I'm not a selfish human being who only cares about himself and understands the concept of herd immunity.

======

But I like how you've focused only on COVID when my post was about ending vaccines for Polio (if you support that, then you're insane) and ending Childhood Vaccinations, things which have been tried and tested for dozens of years and shown as effective at what they do, things that are preventing the return of diseases far more serious than COVID...But you spend your entire post whining about COVID? Interesting that.

Actually why am I bothering to talk about COVID at all.

Do you support ending Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccine?

I'm in support of taking down ALL PRIVATE BIG PHARMA industry, and search about the huge amounts of corruption inside them, returning all its money to the public institutions from they are sucking BILLIONS of money to make CRAP and trying to sell it for its private interests. And Prosecute the criminals directing those private companies, executing them if the law permits it.

My change of opinion about them is caused by the HUGE despise to the public they showed constinuosly during COVID crisis. They seem to HATE the common people: COVID vaccines were insecure, and in some cases, extremely dangerous and most probably killed LOTS of people and saved 0: search about what happened in Europe with Astrazeneca vaccine, killing young people (20-30 year olds) with agressive and bloody brain strokes always around 20-30 days after taking that vaccine, and suffering painfully during those weeks. And this is NOT a fake story.


That vaccine alone created an hysteria and was officially abandoned by some countries after some weeks/months. US never used it, even when they buyed lots of it, precisely because of that precedent.

"Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs."
Congrats on you for being so distasteful: If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals. You are welcome.

Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored. NO private interests there anymore. Health is a HUMAN RIGHT.

Good for you, I'm also in support of public healthcare and not much of a fan of the private healthcare industry, what does this have to do with vaccines though? You do know those same public healthcare institutions that you are apparently trying to protect also recommend vaccines don't you? Lol. I'm a Brit, I love the NHS, you don't need to tell me about public vs private healthcare, I'm already there.

"COVID vaccines were insecure" - No they were not. They were tested in clinical trials and are deemed safe enough for public use by basically all credible healthcare institutions, both private and public. But like all things, everything carries a risk with it, every single vaccine in the world has an extremely rare chance of causing complications, it's about weighing up those risks to decide which course of action is better, COVID or the vaccine, the vaccine is clearly better.

When I recently had very minor surgery I was given a piece of paper I had to sign which listed possible complications as heart attack and even death, I didn't piss my pants and run out the hospital because I understood the actual chances of those things happening are tiny. Complications and risks happen in all walks of life, the vaccines are no different but the risks were talking are absolutely tiny percentages.

"Most probably killed lots of people and save 0" - K. So you're basing this on vibes only, no actual evidence, Lol.

I'm from Europe , the AstraZeneca is a British collaboration vaccine, I've only seen less than a dozen of reports of people claiming to have died as a result of the AstraZeneca vaccine and I don't discount there are risks, but less than a dozen stories versus 7m+ deaths from the actual COVID virus? I'd take the vaccine any day still. Ironically AstraZeneca isn't mRNA which is what you was complaining about.

Pfizer vaccine is better because it's the easier and quicker to adapt to new variants.

"If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals." - If things leaked from a lab due to poor safety procedures then I am in absolute agreement that someone should be held accountable by the law. Scientists experimenting isn't anything new at all, usually they are backed up by extremely strict safety procedures and still there's no confirmation that COVID came from a lab.

"Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored." - They are, Lmao. Who do you think approves the vaccines for use amongst the population? Yes private companies create them sometimes but their usage is often approved by governmental agencies, for the UK that would be the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and then there's also The World Health Organisation (WHO), for America the FDA, Germany the BfArM, France the ANSM, Spain the AEMPS, etc.

Private companies aren't just creating vaccines and putting them in fucking Walmart for people to jab into themselves, Lmao.

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But you are still ignoring my question, you're ranting on about COVID which wasn't even what I was talking about in my original post.

Do you support the removal of Childhood Vaccinations and the Polio Vaccine?



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IkePoR said:
crissindahouse said:

Did you just try to tell us that the vaccines saved exactly 0 people and think you should be believed telling us that the vaccines killed so many people? I mean, sure, there will be some who died from it but it still easily saved many more lives as it took.

But why should someone even try to argue with someone who comes up with such a ridiculous claim of "it saved 0 lives around the world". You might have read some studies about how it's not proven because, well, how shall you prove that some specific person would have died otherwise, right? That you can't prove that person XY would have died otherwise doesn't mean that it didn't save lives. You obviously can't prove that someone would definitely die.

And as someone from Germany who very well followed every spike in deaths and hospitalizations in clinics and when they went out of free beds I could very easily see how the vaccines helped to reduce these numbers. I didn't even have to read about anything, I just had to check the numbers and talk to people working in those hospitals.  

2 questions:

1. A late stage cancer patient, or a patient with a failing heart, develops Covid-19 and dies.  Is it not possible that any death slotted under "Covid-19" could have been caused by an underlying health condition?  

2. Why ought we believe the majority of mainstream media when it's proven disingenuous and often untruthful?

1. How many people who were late stage cancer patients and/or patients with falling hearts that also caught COVID and died? It's a pretty specific example but I imagine an autopsy would rule out many factors, but an extremely sick person contracting COVID and then dying, it is logical to assume even before looking into it that it was the COVID that took them out. Even a flu can kill someone with late stage cancer and/or a failing heart so COVID which is stronger than the flu could do the same no problem.

Just because they were going to die anyway doesn't mean it wasn't COVID that cut whatever last time they had left short. There is a reason why cancer patients are meant to be more cautious around sick people, their immune systems are compromised often due to treatment or the cancer itself. So I'm not sure why you struggle to believe COVID couldn't finish by your own description, extremely sick people, off.

2. This is not about believing mainstream media, it's about believing the scientists and healthcare professionals, I could also see with my own two eyes that the NHS was absolutely slammed during COVID but now things are a lot better, I didn't need the media to tell me shit, I could see it and I even experienced it as someone who has had regular check-ups at hospital for the past 18 years, struggling to get an appointment during COVID for my annual check-ups but now things are back to normal thanks to vaccines and herd immunity.



I'm not sure how this topic has became about COVID/COVID Vaccines.

Feels like instead we've been side-tracked by the easier hanging fruit because it's too hard to defend removing Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccines which is what the original post was about, I mean it's Imo impossible to defend it without looking like a basket case antivaxxer but usually people will say "I'm not antivax, I just don't like the COVID vaccine because it wasn't tested blah blah" so how did a topic about ending the Polio Vaccine/Childhood Vaccines move to COVID? Lol. NGL it feels a bit intentionally done for whatever reason.



Ryuu96 said:

I'm not sure how this topic has became about COVID/COVID Vaccines.

Feels like instead we've been side-tracked by the easier hanging fruit because it's too hard to defend removing Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccines which is what the original post was about, I mean it's Imo impossible to defend it without looking like a basket case antivaxxer but usually people will say "I'm not antivax, I just don't like the COVID vaccine because it wasn't tested blah blah" so how did a topic about ending the Polio Vaccine/Childhood Vaccines move to COVID? Lol. NGL it feels a bit intentionally done for whatever reason.

Right now it’s a hot topic in U.S. politics. Barring a few Senators growing a pair of balls, health in the U.S. is about to be placed under the control of a known grifter who wants to withdraw the polio vaccine from the market. A vaccine that was a miracle of medicine. I’ve seen very few people disfigured by polio, and all of them are now senior citizens if they’re still alive.

And for added stupid value, this grifter spent 20 years injecting his veins with a known poison. And he got CONVICTED of selling this poison to other people in South Dakota. He is the last person I want involved in health care in any way. 



Ryuu96 said:
IkePoR said:

2 questions:

1. A late stage cancer patient, or a patient with a failing heart, develops Covid-19 and dies.  Is it not possible that any death slotted under "Covid-19" could have been caused by an underlying health condition?  

2. Why ought we believe the majority of mainstream media when it's proven disingenuous and often untruthful?

1. How many people who were late stage cancer patients and/or patients with falling hearts that also caught COVID and died? It's a pretty specific example but I imagine an autopsy would rule out many factors, but an extremely sick person contracting COVID and then dying, it is logical to assume even before looking into it that it was the COVID that took them out. Even a flu can kill someone with late stage cancer and/or a failing heart so COVID which is stronger than the flu could do the same no problem.

Just because they were going to die anyway doesn't mean it wasn't COVID that cut whatever last time they had left short. There is a reason why cancer patients are meant to be more cautious around sick people, their immune systems are compromised often due to treatment or the cancer itself. So I'm not sure why you struggle to believe COVID couldn't finish by your own description, extremely sick people, off.

2. This is not about believing mainstream media, it's about believing the scientists and healthcare professionals, I could also see with my own two eyes that the NHS was absolutely slammed during COVID but now things are a lot better, I didn't need the media to tell me shit, I could see it and I even experienced it as someone who has had regular check-ups at hospital for the past 18 years, struggling to get an appointment during COVID for my annual check-ups but now things are back to normal thanks to vaccines and herd immunity.

1. So assuming it is possible a failed heart patient could be deemed a Covid caused death, is it possible there are incentives toward setting such a precedent? During a time when there was mass hysteria and a public crisis, is it at all possible there would be some profiteering?  Do you believe it impossible that a highly profitable incentive to propagate the masses wouldn't be executed?  

2. Fair enough.  I ask questions to be more informed, not bicker, so, alright then.



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SanAndreasX said:
Ryuu96 said:

I'm not sure how this topic has became about COVID/COVID Vaccines.

Feels like instead we've been side-tracked by the easier hanging fruit because it's too hard to defend removing Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccines which is what the original post was about, I mean it's Imo impossible to defend it without looking like a basket case antivaxxer but usually people will say "I'm not antivax, I just don't like the COVID vaccine because it wasn't tested blah blah" so how did a topic about ending the Polio Vaccine/Childhood Vaccines move to COVID? Lol. NGL it feels a bit intentionally done for whatever reason.

Right now it’s a hot topic in U.S. politics. Barring a few Senators growing a pair of balls, health in the U.S. is about to be placed under the control of a known grifter who wants to withdraw the polio vaccine from the market. A vaccine that was a miracle of medicine. I’ve seen very few people disfigured by polio, and all of them are now senior citizens if they’re still alive.

And for added stupid value, this grifter spent 20 years injecting his veins with a known poison. And he got CONVICTED of selling this poison to other people in South Dakota. He is the last person I want involved in health care in any way. 

Them scary private healthcare companies about to win either way when they invest in iron lung machines.

God I hope his appointment is rejected, the dude is absolutely insane and dangerous.