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IkePoR said:

crissindahouse said:

Did you just try to tell us that the vaccines saved exactly 0 people and think you should be believed telling us that the vaccines killed so many people? I mean, sure, there will be some who died from it but it still easily saved many more lives as it took.

But why should someone even try to argue with someone who comes up with such a ridiculous claim of "it saved 0 lives around the world". You might have read some studies about how it's not proven because, well, how shall you prove that some specific person would have died otherwise, right? That you can't prove that person XY would have died otherwise doesn't mean that it didn't save lives. You obviously can't prove that someone would definitely die.

And as someone from Germany who very well followed every spike in deaths and hospitalizations in clinics and when they went out of free beds I could very easily see how the vaccines helped to reduce these numbers. I didn't even have to read about anything, I just had to check the numbers and talk to people working in those hospitals.  

2 questions:

1. A late stage cancer patient, or a patient with a failing heart, develops Covid-19 and dies.  Is it not possible that any death slotted under "Covid-19" could have been caused by an underlying health condition?  

2. Why ought we believe the majority of mainstream media when it's proven disingenuous and often untruthful?

1. How many people who were late stage cancer patients and/or patients with falling hearts that also caught COVID and died? It's a pretty specific example but I imagine an autopsy would rule out many factors, but an extremely sick person contracting COVID and then dying, it is logical to assume even before looking into it that it was the COVID that took them out. Even a flu can kill someone with late stage cancer and/or a failing heart so COVID which is stronger than the flu could do the same no problem.

Just because they were going to die anyway doesn't mean it wasn't COVID that cut whatever last time they had left short. There is a reason why cancer patients are meant to be more cautious around sick people, their immune systems are compromised often due to treatment or the cancer itself. So I'm not sure why you struggle to believe COVID couldn't finish by your own description, extremely sick people, off.

2. This is not about believing mainstream media, it's about believing the scientists and healthcare professionals, I could also see with my own two eyes that the NHS was absolutely slammed during COVID but now things are a lot better, I didn't need the media to tell me shit, I could see it and I even experienced it as someone who has had regular check-ups at hospital for the past 18 years, struggling to get an appointment during COVID for my annual check-ups but now things are back to normal thanks to vaccines and herd immunity.