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JohnVG said:

Ryuu96 said:

Well for starters I'm not American so I don't care about "Big US Pharma"

Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs. I don't believe the origin of the virus has a definitive explanation, only a bunch of different theories, infected animals sold at a market or a laboratory leak are two often spoken about. As far as I can see from a brief look, the most accepted theory is not that it was created/modified in a lab, even the lab leak theory is considered extremely unlikely due to all the safety precautions. Also it is far more likely a Zoonotic jump than "created" by humans. Truth is we likely won't ever know for certain.

The COVID vaccines were tested in clinical trials so you're wrong there as well. mRNA vaccine has had research into it since the 1970s. It just never received much funding until recently because we already had other forms of vaccination. I'm glad it's getting some more attention into it now, mRNA vaccines are impressive stuff and could lead to brilliant advancements in medicine, unless the antivax morons stop it. 

I'm vaccinated too, Pfizer, multiple shots. I'm not in love with Big Pharma, I just understand basic medicine and science, learnt about vaccines in High School and College and trust the actual doctors and scientific community more than morons on YouTube and Twitter. COVID was a serious illness which killed over 7m people and caused multiple issues long-term to even those who have survived. I got the vaccine, partly for my own safety but also because I'm not a selfish human being who only cares about himself and understands the concept of herd immunity.

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But I like how you've focused only on COVID when my post was about ending vaccines for Polio (if you support that, then you're insane) and ending Childhood Vaccinations, things which have been tried and tested for dozens of years and shown as effective at what they do, things that are preventing the return of diseases far more serious than COVID...But you spend your entire post whining about COVID? Interesting that.

Actually why am I bothering to talk about COVID at all.

Do you support ending Childhood Vaccinations and Polio Vaccine?

I'm in support of taking down ALL PRIVATE BIG PHARMA industry, and search about the huge amounts of corruption inside them, returning all its money to the public institutions from they are sucking BILLIONS of money to make CRAP and trying to sell it for its private interests. And Prosecute the criminals directing those private companies, executing them if the law permits it.

My change of opinion about them is caused by the HUGE despise to the public they showed constinuosly during COVID crisis. They seem to HATE the common people: COVID vaccines were insecure, and in some cases, extremely dangerous and most probably killed LOTS of people and saved 0: search about what happened in Europe with Astrazeneca vaccine, killing young people (20-30 year olds) with agressive and bloody brain strokes always around 20-30 days after taking that vaccine, and suffering painfully during those weeks. And this is NOT a fake story.

That vaccine alone created an hysteria and was officially abandoned by some countries after some weeks/months. US never used it, even when they buyed lots of it, precisely because of that precedent.

"Congrats on learning that scientists experiment on things in labs."
Congrats on you for being so distasteful: If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals. You are welcome.

Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored. NO private interests there anymore. Health is a HUMAN RIGHT.

Good for you, I'm also in support of public healthcare and not much of a fan of the private healthcare industry, what does this have to do with vaccines though? You do know those same public healthcare institutions that you are apparently trying to protect also recommend vaccines don't you? Lol. I'm a Brit, I love the NHS, you don't need to tell me about public vs private healthcare, I'm already there.

"COVID vaccines were insecure" - No they were not. They were tested in clinical trials and are deemed safe enough for public use by basically all credible healthcare institutions, both private and public. But like all things, everything carries a risk with it, every single vaccine in the world has an extremely rare chance of causing complications, it's about weighing up those risks to decide which course of action is better, COVID or the vaccine, the vaccine is clearly better.

When I recently had very minor surgery I was given a piece of paper I had to sign which listed possible complications as heart attack and even death, I didn't piss my pants and run out the hospital because I understood the actual chances of those things happening are tiny. Complications and risks happen in all walks of life, the vaccines are no different but the risks were talking are absolutely tiny percentages.

"Most probably killed lots of people and save 0" - K. So you're basing this on vibes only, no actual evidence, Lol.

I'm from Europe , the AstraZeneca is a British collaboration vaccine, I've only seen less than a dozen of reports of people claiming to have died as a result of the AstraZeneca vaccine and I don't discount there are risks, but less than a dozen stories versus 7m+ deaths from the actual COVID virus? I'd take the vaccine any day still. Ironically AstraZeneca isn't mRNA which is what you was complaining about.

Pfizer vaccine is better because it's the easier and quicker to adapt to new variants.

"If those "things in labs" create a pandemic, they have to be publicly prosecuted as criminals." - If things leaked from a lab due to poor safety procedures then I am in absolute agreement that someone should be held accountable by the law. Scientists experimenting isn't anything new at all, usually they are backed up by extremely strict safety procedures and still there's no confirmation that COVID came from a lab.

"Vaccines and medicines research and supplies have to be publicly controlled and monitored." - They are, Lmao. Who do you think approves the vaccines for use amongst the population? Yes private companies create them sometimes but their usage is often approved by governmental agencies, for the UK that would be the Medicines and Healthcare Products Regulatory Agency (MHRA) and then there's also The World Health Organisation (WHO), for America the FDA, Germany the BfArM, France the ANSM, Spain the AEMPS, etc.

Private companies aren't just creating vaccines and putting them in fucking Walmart for people to jab into themselves, Lmao.

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But you are still ignoring my question, you're ranting on about COVID which wasn't even what I was talking about in my original post.

Do you support the removal of Childhood Vaccinations and the Polio Vaccine?