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Here is where I stand:

1) for Phil, this is an act of desperation. He's spent with little to show for it. He's the opposite of Jim where he is great at PR, bit shit at execution. He has sold Gamepass as a success for MS who have given him money and so far it is no where near where it should be.

2) Sony is already preparing for a world post COD, but needs to buy time. Ideally they don't want that to ever be the case, but they have to. I think they've realised the only way to breast MS is to spend wiser and better. Instead of spending 60-70 billion, they are making a game with Deviation games. If they can build this up to compete with COD or surpass it over the next 10 years, MS will look like idiots.

3) if the purchase goes ahead and there is a meeting in the middle, Sony will ask not only for equal content, but for it to release day one free on PS+ as well. They will argue the competition giving it away for free whilst we pick up the cost isn't fair.

MS will argue they are picking up the cost and risk to create the game and market it, and if Sony puts up the money to have it day one on PS+ they will give it. The number will be stupidly high as it will be based on historical full price purchase of the game.

Sony will say no, if you're only picking up the cost of marketing and creating, we will share that cost with you so that way it's equal. If you're willing to lose out on your own profits from day one full price sales, you cannot then create a different that's opposite and costly for someone else.

If Sony gets their way, it will create a similar trend across PC and Switch.

4) whatever Deviation games create will look and perform better than COD as Sony will throw their talent behind it. Developers who leave / are sacked from Activision will join Deviation and Deviation will will join the PS family.

5) Sony will have it's own COD at a fraction of the cost of what MS paid.

Phil is on a slippery slope. I can't think of any other VP that's made his name with shaving PR and failed so badly at such a big cost. 2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.



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Fei-Hung said:

2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.

I don't agree with most of your points, but I do agree that 2023 will be the make of break year for MS.

They started early this gen to build hype and expectations linked to it (if I recall correctly, the first real announcement for the Series X was at the Game Awards 2019), buying Bethesda and other smaller companies (like the one for Psychonauts 2), showing that they will do whatever it takes to come back as a real challenger, and now we're early 2023, and in the general public's eyes (not the fans, not the people who actually know what's going on) the Game Pass is known for having old games or day one games with bad reviews, console sales are going down, they only have 1 true big game this year to set up what this gen will look like (which is Starfield) and if this year isn't the big year for Xbox, it won't get any better after this point. It will be okay, but not great.



Fei-Hung said:

Here is where I stand:

1) for Phil, this is an act of desperation. He's spent with little to show for it. He's the opposite of Jim where he is great at PR, bit shit at execution. He has sold Gamepass as a success for MS who have given him money and so far it is no where near where it should be.

2) Sony is already preparing for a world post COD, but needs to buy time. Ideally they don't want that to ever be the case, but they have to. I think they've realised the only way to breast MS is to spend wiser and better. Instead of spending 60-70 billion, they are making a game with Deviation games. If they can build this up to compete with COD or surpass it over the next 10 years, MS will look like idiots.

3) if the purchase goes ahead and there is a meeting in the middle, Sony will ask not only for equal content, but for it to release day one free on PS+ as well. They will argue the competition giving it away for free whilst we pick up the cost isn't fair.

MS will argue they are picking up the cost and risk to create the game and market it, and if Sony puts up the money to have it day one on PS+ they will give it. The number will be stupidly high as it will be based on historical full price purchase of the game.

Sony will say no, if you're only picking up the cost of marketing and creating, we will share that cost with you so that way it's equal. If you're willing to lose out on your own profits from day one full price sales, you cannot then create a different that's opposite and costly for someone else.

If Sony gets their way, it will create a similar trend across PC and Switch.

4) whatever Deviation games create will look and perform better than COD as Sony will throw their talent behind it. Developers who leave / are sacked from Activision will join Deviation and Deviation will will join the PS family.

5) Sony will have it's own COD at a fraction of the cost of what MS paid.

Phil is on a slippery slope. I can't think of any other VP that's made his name with shaving PR and failed so badly at such a big cost. 2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.

That's a lot of untrue and unrealistic statements. 

With that said, CoD isn't leaving PS regardless of the acquisition or not. 

I also don't think this deal will go through. Too many factors against it now, but I'm sure Phil and Co have a plan B if it doesn't. 



Fei-Hung said:

Here is where I stand:

1) for Phil, this is an act of desperation. He's spent with little to show for it. He's the opposite of Jim where he is great at PR, bit shit at execution. He has sold Gamepass as a success for MS who have given him money and so far it is no where near where it should be.

1.) Xbox is doing fine. Even if by some metrics they aren't doing as well as Sony, that doesn't mean they're doing terrible. They're doing incredibly well.

2.) I really, really, really doubt that these kinds of decisions are down to just Phil Spencer. It requires approval of several people above him.

Fei-Hung said:

4) whatever Deviation games create will look and perform better than COD as Sony will throw their talent behind it. Developers who leave / are sacked from Activision will join Deviation and Deviation will will join the PS family.

5) Sony will have it's own COD at a fraction of the cost of what MS paid.

Phil is on a slippery slope. I can't think of any other VP that's made his name with shaving PR and failed so badly at such a big cost. 2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.

Doubtful.

I don't think we even know if Deviation Games is working on a first person shooter. I know that the team is made up of a lot of CoD people, but that doesn't mean that's what they're continuing with.

Call of Duty is a bit more than just a successful first person shooter. It's a product of an absolute machine from numerous different developers that are much larger than Deviation Games.

It's worked on by thousands of people. Deviation Games has less than 200 developers. 

Even if by some miracle they managed the quality, CoD also has a lot of momentum. Brand awareness that's on a completely different level. They have an established pipeline with yearly launches.



Sony could make a very easy argument to play it's COD competitor, if they're making one, and if it's worthy enough.
All Sony would need to do at that point, is put their COD competitor on the PS Plus Essential tier every single month as a 4th bonus game.

So for PS customers who like a COD type game, you'd basically have 2 choices. Pay $70 for COD, or pay $60 for Plus Essential and get a COD like game and everything else that comes with the sub all year. As long as the COD competitor was decent, it would be plenty successful this way and would grow Plus subs at the same time.

*I guess PS could also sell it on disc for $60 to keep it lower than COD. They could also gamble making it $70 on disc yet say you get a discount at $60 for subbing to Plus, but then they would risk the chance of the consumer just grabbing the $70 COD disc instead.

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smroadkill15 said:
Fei-Hung said:

Here is where I stand:

1) for Phil, this is an act of desperation. He's spent with little to show for it. He's the opposite of Jim where he is great at PR, bit shit at execution. He has sold Gamepass as a success for MS who have given him money and so far it is no where near where it should be.

2) Sony is already preparing for a world post COD, but needs to buy time. Ideally they don't want that to ever be the case, but they have to. I think they've realised the only way to breast MS is to spend wiser and better. Instead of spending 60-70 billion, they are making a game with Deviation games. If they can build this up to compete with COD or surpass it over the next 10 years, MS will look like idiots.

3) if the purchase goes ahead and there is a meeting in the middle, Sony will ask not only for equal content, but for it to release day one free on PS+ as well. They will argue the competition giving it away for free whilst we pick up the cost isn't fair.

MS will argue they are picking up the cost and risk to create the game and market it, and if Sony puts up the money to have it day one on PS+ they will give it. The number will be stupidly high as it will be based on historical full price purchase of the game.

Sony will say no, if you're only picking up the cost of marketing and creating, we will share that cost with you so that way it's equal. If you're willing to lose out on your own profits from day one full price sales, you cannot then create a different that's opposite and costly for someone else.

If Sony gets their way, it will create a similar trend across PC and Switch.

4) whatever Deviation games create will look and perform better than COD as Sony will throw their talent behind it. Developers who leave / are sacked from Activision will join Deviation and Deviation will will join the PS family.

5) Sony will have it's own COD at a fraction of the cost of what MS paid.

Phil is on a slippery slope. I can't think of any other VP that's made his name with shaving PR and failed so badly at such a big cost. 2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.

That's a lot of untrue and unrealistic statements. 

With that said, CoD isn't leaving PS regardless of the acquisition or not. 

I also don't think this deal will go through. Too many factors against it now, but I'm sure Phil and Co have a plan B if it doesn't. 

I would've thought plan B would be to do a lot more to make a deal with PS happen so Sony will back off and let it happen. MS obviously doesn't want to give too much away, and I don't think Sony will stand in the way no matter what. A reasonable enough deal and I think Sony would back off. This would likely go beyond just COD.

Otherwise I'd have to assume plan B must be to buy up a TON of smaller devs, one after another rapid fire. That's the only way they would be able to make purchases happen without Sony getting in the way. At least until MS eventually bought up too much, then Sony and regulators would finally step in.

MS must know if they don't get the AB deal, if they just went after EA or TT or anyone else very large, Sony will just step in the way again and we'll have this same situation again.



the-pi-guy said:

1.) Xbox is doing fine. Even if by some metrics they aren't doing as well as Sony, that doesn't mean they're doing terrible. They're doing incredibly well.

Fine, yes, but I wouldn't say "incredibly well".



Fei-Hung said:

Here is where I stand:

1) for Phil, this is an act of desperation. He's spent with little to show for it. He's the opposite of Jim where he is great at PR, bit shit at execution. He has sold Gamepass as a success for MS who have given him money and so far it is no where near where it should be.

2) Sony is already preparing for a world post COD, but needs to buy time. Ideally they don't want that to ever be the case, but they have to. I think they've realised the only way to breast MS is to spend wiser and better. Instead of spending 60-70 billion, they are making a game with Deviation games. If they can build this up to compete with COD or surpass it over the next 10 years, MS will look like idiots.

3) if the purchase goes ahead and there is a meeting in the middle, Sony will ask not only for equal content, but for it to release day one free on PS+ as well. They will argue the competition giving it away for free whilst we pick up the cost isn't fair.

MS will argue they are picking up the cost and risk to create the game and market it, and if Sony puts up the money to have it day one on PS+ they will give it. The number will be stupidly high as it will be based on historical full price purchase of the game.

Sony will say no, if you're only picking up the cost of marketing and creating, we will share that cost with you so that way it's equal. If you're willing to lose out on your own profits from day one full price sales, you cannot then create a different that's opposite and costly for someone else.

If Sony gets their way, it will create a similar trend across PC and Switch.

4) whatever Deviation games create will look and perform better than COD as Sony will throw their talent behind it. Developers who leave / are sacked from Activision will join Deviation and Deviation will will join the PS family.

5) Sony will have it's own COD at a fraction of the cost of what MS paid.

Phil is on a slippery slope. I can't think of any other VP that's made his name with shaving PR and failed so badly at such a big cost. 2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.

Wow. Reading this is like reading a fans wishlist of what will happen if the deal passes. You really do have some wishful thinking. If Sony was so sure they could build their own CoD Killer (Remember the Halo Killer Killzone?) im pretty sure they wouldnt be so worried about this deal.



SKMBlake said:
Fei-Hung said:

2023 will make our break Phil. His investments at some point will have to show fruits of MS's labour.

I don't agree with most of your points, but I do agree that 2023 will be the make of break year for MS.

They started early this gen to build hype and expectations linked to it (if I recall correctly, the first real announcement for the Series X was at the Game Awards 2019), buying Bethesda and other smaller companies (like the one for Psychonauts 2), showing that they will do whatever it takes to come back as a real challenger, and now we're early 2023, and in the general public's eyes (not the fans, not the people who actually know what's going on) the Game Pass is known for having old games or day one games with bad reviews, console sales are going down, they only have 1 true big game this year to set up what this gen will look like (which is Starfield) and if this year isn't the big year for Xbox, it won't get any better after this point. It will be okay, but not great.

It is?, you got some kind of link to back up this statement?. Care to explain all them "old" games or "Day 1" games with bad reviews thats on Gamepass?.



zero129 said:
SKMBlake said:

I don't agree with most of your points, but I do agree that 2023 will be the make of break year for MS.

They started early this gen to build hype and expectations linked to it (if I recall correctly, the first real announcement for the Series X was at the Game Awards 2019), buying Bethesda and other smaller companies (like the one for Psychonauts 2), showing that they will do whatever it takes to come back as a real challenger, and now we're early 2023, and in the general public's eyes (not the fans, not the people who actually know what's going on) the Game Pass is known for having old games or day one games with bad reviews, console sales are going down, they only have 1 true big game this year to set up what this gen will look like (which is Starfield) and if this year isn't the big year for Xbox, it won't get any better after this point. It will be okay, but not great.

It is?, you got some kind of link to back up this statement?. Care to explain all them "old" games or "Day 1" games with bad reviews thats on Gamepass?.

It's like the "Switch can only run 360p games at 20fps", when you have a closer look, you realize it's not true, but people still claim that. And that was actually my point.