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Chrkeller on 18 October 2022
DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

If people only work part time as a VA, sounds like they should have as second job to fill in the gaps.  People are too entitled.

If people need to work part time because VA doesn't pay enough then you won't have good professionals doing the work and quality will suffer. I would guess people from US/UK haven't faced terrible dub work because of bad professionals.

KLXVER said:

Ok how much should she recieve then? You keep saying its not enough, what is enough then? Give me a number.

She didn't receive anything since she wasn't hired. You mean how much she was offered? Whatever it was it was less than 4k which is being throw around as the base payment for VA on expected duration of work.

Maybe.  On the other hand if VA is important and does suffer, than the market will start dictating stronger salaries.  The market is what the market it.  Forcing higher salaries than the market allows, IMHO, is a horrid idea.  I'll pick on my cousin, who has a nordic poetry degree....  she doesn't make 1/5 what I do as a chemist.  Am I suppose to give her my money because she picked a terrible degree?



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DonFerrari on 18 October 2022
KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

The evaluation of what is fair is between her and company. But a value that would allow a professional a living standard is base for fair imho.

So you would need to get what is standard cost for living wherever she is on a year, divide by what is standard number of days working a year on the profession and you would have daily amount payment (let's be real, it makes very little sense to expect someone would be dubbing for 3 different companies on a single day on a regular basis).

That probably give you the minimum that was already given to you by sc94597 that in USA would be about 4k USD for this work of in UK 5.6k pounds. And when the 4k is the final offer will you pretend the previous one was higher than this? Or will you accept that PG was offering less than the minimum?

Well 5.6k pounds is way more than 4k USD. So if she was offered less than the minimum, then the union is really more useless than I first thought.

Well, I do think unions are useless. But case in point if it is as told here, an USA union would have no power over a Japanese company hiring an UK based VA, at most their outlines would serve exactly as that and nothing else with no binding power.

KLXVER said:
kirby007 said:

i like how you dumbasses keep assuming its 4x4 hours not considering 1x4 or 2x4 or 3x4 but just speculate on halfassed info

Well we have to assume alot because we have next to no info...

That is true



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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DonFerrari on 18 October 2022
Chrkeller said:
DonFerrari said:

If people need to work part time because VA doesn't pay enough then you won't have good professionals doing the work and quality will suffer. I would guess people from US/UK haven't faced terrible dub work because of bad professionals.

KLXVER said:

Ok how much should she recieve then? You keep saying its not enough, what is enough then? Give me a number.

She didn't receive anything since she wasn't hired. You mean how much she was offered? Whatever it was it was less than 4k which is being throw around as the base payment for VA on expected duration of work.

Maybe.  On the other hand if VA is important and does suffer, than the market will start dictating stronger salaries.  The market is what the market it.  Forcing higher salaries than the market allows, IMHO, is a horrid idea.  I'll pick on my cousin, who has a nordic poetry degree....  she doesn't make 1/5 what I do as a chemist.  Am I suppose to give her my money because she picked a terrible degree?

I do agree that forcing or dictating higher salaries do no one good, reason why I didn't brought regulation or government to the topic.

I'm just saying that if what you pay for on average is below the necessary to have decent life then you likely won't have competent professionals on it. I do think quality VA is important (although couldn't care less about specific names even though I know Troy Baker, but for Brazilian dub professionals I know quite a lot by voice and name because of anime), and that poor VA can impact sales and profits of game, but sure if company think it is something without much value and that as long as there is a voice to dub over it is enough sure paying as little as allowed will be their tactic and if market accepts that them there isn't much to be said.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

KLXVER on 18 October 2022
DonFerrari said:
Chrkeller said:

Maybe.  On the other hand if VA is important and does suffer, than the market will start dictating stronger salaries.  The market is what the market it.  Forcing higher salaries than the market allows, IMHO, is a horrid idea.  I'll pick on my cousin, who has a nordic poetry degree....  she doesn't make 1/5 what I do as a chemist.  Am I suppose to give her my money because she picked a terrible degree?

I do agree that forcing or dictating higher salaries do no one good, reason why I didn't brought regulation or government to the topic.

I'm just saying that if what you pay for on average is below the necessary to have decent life then you likely won't have competent professionals on it. I do think quality VA is important (although couldn't care less about specific names even though I know Troy Baker, but for Brazilian dub professionals I know quite a lot by voice and name because of anime), and that poor VA can impact sales and profits of game, but sure if company think it is something without much value and that as long as there is a voice to dub over it is enough sure paying as little as allowed will be their tactic and if market accepts that them there isn't much to be said.

Well what amount is considered necessary for a decent life? 4K is great for a month, but she hasnt done any voice acting in 8 years.



DonFerrari on 18 October 2022
KLXVER said:
DonFerrari said:

I do agree that forcing or dictating higher salaries do no one good, reason why I didn't brought regulation or government to the topic.

I'm just saying that if what you pay for on average is below the necessary to have decent life then you likely won't have competent professionals on it. I do think quality VA is important (although couldn't care less about specific names even though I know Troy Baker, but for Brazilian dub professionals I know quite a lot by voice and name because of anime), and that poor VA can impact sales and profits of game, but sure if company think it is something without much value and that as long as there is a voice to dub over it is enough sure paying as little as allowed will be their tactic and if market accepts that them there isn't much to be said.

Well what amount is considered necessary for a decent life? 4K is great for a month, but she hasnt done any voice acting in 8 years.

Yes if on average VA picks up a week worth of dub a month (I do feel this is a low number for a professional) 4k/month is a reasonable amount to live. Regarding her not doing VA for 8 years not sure if that really is the case or she only done small roles that weren't included in wikia (and if she isn't professional, as in not doing regular work, than any minimum is pointless as that wouldn't be her career, so she could either make 100 or 1M per work, like let's say Michael Jordan doing a work on Looney Tunes, the payment would be dependent on how much revenue that person participation would bring).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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sc94597 on 18 October 2022

If you look at her website she does a lot stuff not related to video games.

"Hellena also works as a voiceover artist spanning every aspect of the media including, television announcements, film trailers, radio, commercials for television/internet/radio, a sat-nav/GPS system, voice matching, looping, narration, spoken ring tones, anime, cartoons and video games. Recent video games include the title role in “Bayonetta” for SEGA and the female lead in “Saboteur” for Electronic Arts/Pandemic Studios."



Hiku on 18 October 2022

Jason claims he has seen written evidence of her being offered at least $15K, but she claims this is a lie.

One other thing to consider is also how much voice work she was supposed to do.
If there is a second Bayonetta character (which I've heard theories about) who is now the main character, and the original Bayonetta plays a smaller role, she may have significantly fewer lines to record as well. Kind of like Metal Gear Solid 2.

Her last credited work that I can see is Smash Bros Ultimate (2018) and Bayonetta 2 (2014)
Hellena Taylor - IMDb

That's 8 years since her last proper voice job in the industry.
That may have something to do with her strong reaction to the amount of money she were to recieve here, as she cited not being able to pay for her car or something.

But in that case I'm not sure what she expects will happen to her chances of making more money in the industry after this.
Other studios will probably be weary of hiring her, if they think she will break NDA again if something upsets her.

Last edited by Hiku - on 18 October 2022

KLXVER on 18 October 2022
Hiku said:

Jason claims he has seen written evidence of her being offered at least $15K, but she claims this is a lie.

One other thing to consider is also how much voice work she was supposed to do.
If there is a second Bayonetta character (which I've heard theories about) who is now the main character, and the original Bayonetta plays a smaller role, she may have significantly fewer lines to record as well. Kind of like Metal Gear Solid 2.

Her last credited work that I can see is Smash Bros Ultimate (2018) and Bayonetta 2 (2014)
Hellena Taylor - IMDb

That's 8 years since her last proper voice job in the industry.
That may have something to do with her strong reaction to the amount of money she were to recieve here, as she cited not being able to pay for her car or something.

But in that case I'm not sure what she expects will happen to her chances of making more money in the industry after this.
Other studios will probably be weary of hiring her, if they think she will break NDA again if something upsets her.

Six figures AND residuals? Holy hell!

Still no proof of that though, so I wont take that as facts. It sounds a bit crazy to be true.



xMetroid on 18 October 2022

Wait ??? The internet jumped on a hate bandwagon and boycotting train before knowing evidence and both sides of a story ? This is shocking new, i'm truly shocked.
Lesson learn to people who forge their opinion off nothing and create whole arguments with em while not even being aware of the actual situation.



kirby007 on 18 October 2022
kirby007 said:

hey guys im THE voice of link and i want a million vg$ for that, .... what do you mean you pay me at market value? but im THE VOICE



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