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Ka-pi96 said:

Don't buy from scalpers, problem solved.

Also, your option #1 is IMO much worse than scalpers! Having to pay a subscription just to be able to buy a product is simply ridiculous. You shouldn't need to pay to buy stuff, you're already paying for the stuff itself!

*hint "prioritize"
They can also put out a date when it would be available for all people. Another thing to look for in the sentence is "accounts". Doesn't have to be a subscription, it can be accounts (ex. Nintendo account) but imo the effect would be less bcuz bots are easily created. Another way would be to make it where you can only buy from the previous console. Idk if they could do that but it's a "suggestion". This way, hardcore fans, rich gamers, content creators (the ones that buys from scalpers) can have their new console. Reason being once again, to decrease the buyers from the scalpers. Think logically, people aren't getting consoles currently because of scalpers anyways. If they can't get in a subscription service, they can wait. However, like I said in the (-) list, the problem is that companies can take backlash because customers don't care about logic. 



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Shatts said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Don't buy from scalpers, problem solved.

Also, your option #1 is IMO much worse than scalpers! Having to pay a subscription just to be able to buy a product is simply ridiculous. You shouldn't need to pay to buy stuff, you're already paying for the stuff itself!

*hint "prioritize"
They can also put out a date when it would be available for all people. Another thing to look for in the sentence is "accounts". Doesn't have to be a subscription, it can be accounts (ex. Nintendo account) but imo the effect would be less bcuz bots are easily created. Another way would be to make it where you can only buy from the previous console. Idk if they could do that but it's a "suggestion". This way, hardcore fans, rich gamers, content creators (the ones that buys from scalpers) can have their new console. Reason being once again, to decrease the buyers from the scalpers. Think logically, people aren't getting consoles currently because of scalpers anyways. If they can't get in a subscription service, they can wait. However, like I said in the (-) list, the problem is that companies can take backlash because customers don't care about logic. 

I simply don't care about preventing people from being stupid. 

If person A sells a ps5 to person B for $1500....  person B is the problem.   Willingness to pay over MSRP was created by person B and thus created the scalpers market.  

All people have to do is not pay over MSRP and scalping would stop....  literally that simple.  And if the counter argument is "people won't do this" then I'm sorry, people get what they deserve, a scalpers market.  



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Chrkeller said:
Shatts said:

*hint "prioritize"
They can also put out a date when it would be available for all people. Another thing to look for in the sentence is "accounts". Doesn't have to be a subscription, it can be accounts (ex. Nintendo account) but imo the effect would be less bcuz bots are easily created. Another way would be to make it where you can only buy from the previous console. Idk if they could do that but it's a "suggestion". This way, hardcore fans, rich gamers, content creators (the ones that buys from scalpers) can have their new console. Reason being once again, to decrease the buyers from the scalpers. Think logically, people aren't getting consoles currently because of scalpers anyways. If they can't get in a subscription service, they can wait. However, like I said in the (-) list, the problem is that companies can take backlash because customers don't care about logic. 

I simply don't care about preventing people from being stupid. 

If person A sells a ps5 to person B for $1500....  person B is the problem.   Willingness to pay over MSRP was created by person B and thus created the scalpers market.  

All people have to do is not pay over MSRP and scalping would stop....  literally that simple.  And if the counter argument is "people won't do this" then I'm sorry, people get what they deserve, a scalpers market.  

Majority of people are incredibly unintelligent. That's not the point of this thread... You're narrowing your options by just giving up. If people keep littering, are we just going to say oh well we deserve a dead planet? If people are discriminating, are we just going to let them? No we find for solutions, and we try to limit dumb people doing dumb things. I'm personally fine with your mindset too if we just want to sit back and accept it. Unfortunately, most people nowadays don't have that mindset so they complain without a solution. I'm just speaking from a 4th person perspective. Either give a solution, or accept it. You're the latter, which is ok. Not amazing by no means because you're not doing anything, but at least ur not whining like a kid.

Last edited by Shatts - on 16 July 2022

Dont’t buy from scalpers, period.

If console makers were really interested in controlling scalping, they’d offer the systems primarily through brick and mortar sellers.



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How to combat scalpers?

Easy*, don’t buy from scalpers at scalper prices. If there is no market for scalpers they stop scalping


*this applies to non essential goods like toys/videogames.



Shatts said:
Chrkeller said:

I simply don't care about preventing people from being stupid. 

If person A sells a ps5 to person B for $1500....  person B is the problem.   Willingness to pay over MSRP was created by person B and thus created the scalpers market.  

All people have to do is not pay over MSRP and scalping would stop....  literally that simple.  And if the counter argument is "people won't do this" then I'm sorry, people get what they deserve, a scalpers market.  

Majority of people are incredibly unintelligent. That's not the point of this thread... You're narrowing your options by just giving up. If people keep littering, are we just going to say oh well we deserve a dead planet? If people are discriminating, are we just going to let them? No we find for solutions, and we try to limit dumb people doing dumb things. I'm personally fine with your mindset too if we just want to sit back and accept it. Unfortunately, most people nowadays don't have that mindset so they complain without a solution. I'm just speaking from a 4th person perspective. Either give a solution, or accept it. You're the latter, which is ok. Not amazing by no means because you're not doing anything, but at least ur not whining like a kid.

There is no problem to solve and there is nothing for me to give up on.  If people want to pay 2-3x MSRP, that is their choice.  I don't believe in telling others what they can or cannot do.  



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Shatts said:

Scalpers/resellers are a huge problem everywhere you go, whether it be gaming consoles, special edition of something, concert tickets, etc. So I was thinking of ways to combat these pests. Since this place is about games, I will focus on gaming companies. Also focus on suggestions that can benefit both the company and the fans.

1. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo can all utilize the subscription service or the gaming accounts to prioritize fans/gamers.

+ This is good for the company as well since it can lead to increase in their subscribers.
+ Scalpers exists to profit with minimal effort, they wouldn't go through the effort of spending extra money to a subscription service. 

- Has a chance of backlash because people are stupid and it can feel like pay2win for prioritizing subscribers or something stupid like that. 
- Scalpers can be gamers, and they may be in the service. (For this solution, maybe limit to one console per account?)

2. Sell the consoles at a higher price in the beginning. For example starts at $1000, to $800, to $600, until the original price point. It will be important for companies to announce the original price and that they will gradually drop in price, to avoid confusion.

+ People that really wants it first can buy them. *like people that buys from scalpers in the first place
+ Companies can also profit, especially in an important time because the first periods are when they typically sell at a loss.

- Has a chance of backlash because people are stupid and it can feel like they are getting scammed or act as anti-consumer, despite the company saying prices will decrease and these people would have bought it from scalpers anyways.
- The timing is difficult because the demand may be bigger or smaller than expected, last longer or shorter, unexpected supply shortages, game releases, controlling hype, etc. I think it's important to release games for both the previous console and the new one, but the visual quality is better or a tech-demo (like Astro's playroom or Wii sports) or something like that to give a reason to buy them first, while avoid ignoring fans that can't afford them at higher price and have to wait. The current-gen consoles are already doing so it shouldn't be too much of a worry. 

3. Hold a huge stock of consoles before announcing it or releasing it.

+ Obviously people would be able to get them with ease.
+ Scalpers exists when the product is high demand low supply, so if the supply is high, there wouldn't be any buyers for the scalpers.

- The console can flop hard so a pretty big risk for the company.
- Supply shortage might not even allow them to do that. Even if they could, it might take years to stash up enough supplies.

I'm not a law expert by no means, some ideas could be illegal in some countries or all. 

Hey, none of your solutions are working. 

The first one is not about people being stupid, the solution is just wrong. Adding a price-tag over a price-tag just to get access will backlash and it is justified. The only way it could even start to be justifiable for the consumers is if the console would be discounted if you'd be paying said subscription. 

The backlash wouldn't be due to people's stupidity but because of the unfairness of it. 

Your second solution is even worse. People hate price gouging done by scalpers so what companies need to do, and what will bring them strong PR, is act themselves as scalpers. Once again, people would be mad but not because they are stupid. You changed a game based on determination and organization into a money problem. There is already a solution for people with huge amount of money: Scalpers. You just denied loyal fans with less means a way to get their console which is utterly ridiculous. 

Your third solution doesn't even start to make sense for any business. 

Also calling people stupid or unintelligent is ridiculous. If your solution leads to overcharging and/or denying access to people who managed to get their hand on hardware, then your solution is just a new problem. 

The only ways to fix scalping is brick and mortar store and/or limiting orders by billing address/ credit cards/ creating lottery systems. 

Also, someone here said it: Scalpers are taking risks for the companies, the only detriment to said companies is that the consoles in the scalp market are not yet selling games and services which makes them unprofitable for the time being. The rest is pure security for console manufacturers. 



Nostaldub said:
Shatts said:

Scalpers/resellers are a huge problem everywhere you go, whether it be gaming consoles, special edition of something, concert tickets, etc. So I was thinking of ways to combat these pests. Since this place is about games, I will focus on gaming companies. Also focus on suggestions that can benefit both the company and the fans.

1. Sony, Microsoft, Nintendo can all utilize the subscription service or the gaming accounts to prioritize fans/gamers.

+ This is good for the company as well since it can lead to increase in their subscribers.
+ Scalpers exists to profit with minimal effort, they wouldn't go through the effort of spending extra money to a subscription service. 

- Has a chance of backlash because people are stupid and it can feel like pay2win for prioritizing subscribers or something stupid like that. 
- Scalpers can be gamers, and they may be in the service. (For this solution, maybe limit to one console per account?)

2. Sell the consoles at a higher price in the beginning. For example starts at $1000, to $800, to $600, until the original price point. It will be important for companies to announce the original price and that they will gradually drop in price, to avoid confusion.

+ People that really wants it first can buy them. *like people that buys from scalpers in the first place
+ Companies can also profit, especially in an important time because the first periods are when they typically sell at a loss.

- Has a chance of backlash because people are stupid and it can feel like they are getting scammed or act as anti-consumer, despite the company saying prices will decrease and these people would have bought it from scalpers anyways.
- The timing is difficult because the demand may be bigger or smaller than expected, last longer or shorter, unexpected supply shortages, game releases, controlling hype, etc. I think it's important to release games for both the previous console and the new one, but the visual quality is better or a tech-demo (like Astro's playroom or Wii sports) or something like that to give a reason to buy them first, while avoid ignoring fans that can't afford them at higher price and have to wait. The current-gen consoles are already doing so it shouldn't be too much of a worry. 

3. Hold a huge stock of consoles before announcing it or releasing it.

+ Obviously people would be able to get them with ease.
+ Scalpers exists when the product is high demand low supply, so if the supply is high, there wouldn't be any buyers for the scalpers.

- The console can flop hard so a pretty big risk for the company.
- Supply shortage might not even allow them to do that. Even if they could, it might take years to stash up enough supplies.

I'm not a law expert by no means, some ideas could be illegal in some countries or all. 

Hey, none of your solutions are working. 

The first one is not about people being stupid, the solution is just wrong. Adding a price-tag over a price-tag just to get access will backlash and it is justified. The only way it could even start to be justifiable for the consumers is if the console would be discounted if you'd be paying said subscription. 

The backlash wouldn't be due to people's stupidity but because of the unfairness of it. 

Your second solution is even worse. People hate price gouging done by scalpers so what companies need to do, and what will bring them strong PR, is act themselves as scalpers. Once again, people would be mad but not because they are stupid. You changed a game based on determination and organization into a money problem. There is already a solution for people with huge amount of money: Scalpers. You just denied loyal fans with less means a way to get their console which is utterly ridiculous. 

Your third solution doesn't even start to make sense for any business. 

Also calling people stupid or unintelligent is ridiculous. If your solution leads to overcharging and/or denying access to people who managed to get their hand on hardware, then your solution is just a new problem. 

The only ways to fix scalping is brick and mortar store and/or limiting orders by billing address/ credit cards/ creating lottery systems. 

Also, someone here said it: Scalpers are taking risks for the companies, the only detriment to said companies is that the consoles in the scalp market are not yet selling games and services which makes them unprofitable for the time being. The rest is pure security for console manufacturers. 

Sigh...
Calling stupid or unintelligent was sarcasm and hints that I know those opinions exist, and purposefully mentioning these options knowing that people would still oppose it. I'm sorry if it disturbed u. As for ur solutions, they've already tried that in the past or currently trying and it's not working. Brick and mortar, limiting orders (not sure if they can even limit credit cards legally), lottery system, none of them effectively works. Since so many ppl were raging at this situation (not specifically this site), wouldn't it be better for companies to communicate with the customers for a solution? Imo, the main priority should be to decrease the amount of scalpers, and I already explained how that can be done. 



Chrkeller said:

Don't pay over MSRP and let scalpers lose a few thousand.... pretty simple.

This. Scalpers exist because enough people are ready to pay them more (some even a lot more) than list price.



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