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JackHandy said:

For me, it wouldn't even seem like that big a deal. For one, I always buy every system anyway, so exclusives aren't a problem. For two, I will forever think of FF as a Playstation franchise anyway. I mean yeah, I was a kid when it was on the first two Nintendo consoles, but for some reason, Playstation still feels like its home to me. I guess the PS1 and PS2 games just drove that so deep into my subconscious that it seems natural, or something.

SquareEnix though has much more IPs than just FF, and much more important ones (for me) at that. The Dragon Quest Builders series is among the greatest games of all time for me and Octopath Traveler (which is available everywhere *except* Playstation) is easily a better game than FF. Dragon Quest XI is great and Triangle Strategy is a good SRPG. So if Sony wants to buy FF and the associated studios, fine by me. But I still want the other stuff multiplat.

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Kyuu said:

I'm by no means an expert on how major acquisitions are handled, but perhaps it can be reasoned that Eidos studios and IP's selling for as cheap as they did is a result of Sony offering to buy SquareEnix at a very high price with the condition of SE quickly selling their western studios so Sony can bypass some FTC complications.

I think it's only a matter of time before Sony starts gobbling up a few Japanese studios (Arc System Works, Kojima Productions, and FromSoftware are other candidates). Then again, the FTC giving Microsoft trouble might have the exact opposite effect of Sony trying to pick up big studios or publishers.

If this does go through, I don't think Nintendo fans have much to worry about. SE could remain semi-autonomous and these smaller 2D/HD2D games, ports, and remasters, will continue releasing on Nintendo platforms, except they wouldn't be exclusive anymore. The few Xbox fans who care about SquareEnix stuff will probably get screwed worse than they already are. And PC will remain king.

I can see DQ12 going timed exclusive on PS5 before getting ported to PC and Switch 2, but even this is unlikely.

As Sony Interactive entertainment is an american company that in recent ears focused on western games, I doubt the start to gobble up japanese studios. SIE recently reduced their japanese development capacities, this would be counterproductive if they want to expand. I can see them taking studios close to them (Kojima) and strategic IPs (which is why Square or Capcom would be possibilities), but I don't think they care at all for all these smaller devs like Arc Systems, From, NIS or Falcom.



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I don't think Square Enix is selling at all. Those rumors ae very, very loose.
I'm seeing some people mention Dragon Quest, but here's the thing. Square Enix doesn't own Dragon Quest. A company called Armor Group lead by series creator Yuji Horii owns the series. Square Enix only have an exclusive contract with them to publish the games. Also, another fun fact. Almost all DQ games weren't developed by Square Enix.



I would personally like it. Sony is my favorite manufacturer right now, but Square my favorite publisher so I wanted them to remain independent. But Square is going to an awful direction investing in Blockchain so its better to them to be bought

Microsoft buying it would mean the death of the company, Square has no relevance on MS systems, they were going to live from FF XIV alone among other game as services

Nintendo buying it would mean Square no longer had access to more top notch hardware, meaning they were likely to spend the next 20 years trapped in PS3 and PS4 levels os graphics. I'm sure this was going to upset most of current staff who likes to work in more challenging projects tech-wise, os they simply wouldn't be necessary anymore. The talent evasion here was likely to be brutal in some teams. Also, I have no idea what they were going to do with FF XIV... Honestly thinking a bit, I want Nintendo as far from Square as possible

For Sony... nothing was going to change in their gaming business I think. So it's the best choice by far



RolStoppable said:

I can see the logic in Square-Enix sizing down to make themselves purchaseable for Sony, but I don't see why Sony would want to buy Square-Enix outright. Over the years S-E has been loyal to Sony and always open for moneyhats, and there's nothing on the horizon that indicates that this will change. Series like Final Fantasy and Kingdom Hearts don't sell much on Xbox in comparison to PS while they aren't coming to the Nintendo console by default, so the mere continuation of moneyhats for marketing rights and the like would be sufficient for Sony. The only thing of real value is Dragon Quest, because that IP does appear on Nintendo consoles. But that alone would not justify the baggage of other mismanaged games that Square-Enix brings with it.

However...

With Sony banking hard on live service games in the foreseeable future (allegedly ten live service games planned for release by the end of 2025), they could be looking at the cash cow Final Fantasy XIV. That's how a Square-Enix purchase could fit into Sony's overall strategy and it's something that is commonly overlooked on a forum like this where there are barely any MMORPG fans. I didn't think of this angle either, it only came to me after I had almost finished my first paragraph.

Games-wise, a Square-Enix purchase by Sony wouldn't change all that much. The PC would continue to get games because Sony is looking more into that space already anyway. The Xbox playerbase hasn't shown enough interest in S-E titles to conclude that it would be a big loss for the Xbox library. The only significant damage would be that Nintendo loses out on Dragon Quest and a few minor titles in a future, but at least for the minor titles it's possible that some S-E staff leaves studios to form a new one that works together with Nintendo; that's something that has happened before, so it can happen again.

In any case, Square-Enix being bought by Sony wouldn't be as earth-shattering as Microsoft buying Bethesda and Activision-Blizzard, because S-E is already most prominent in sales on PS. I give this 50/50 odds of happening, because in the current age of inflation big companies feel inclined to spend money on assets even more than usual.

FFXIV was actually the first thing to pop in my head, as it is far and away SE's biggest title, and it seems to fit into Sony's new approach on GaaS/MP games. Guess I don't qualify since I'm one of the few big FFXIV fans 'round here :P

But I'm of the opinion that FFXIV is about to reach its peak if it hadn't already. It's essentially a downgraded PS3 MMO, the visual upgrades its receiving soon will not mask its inherent flaws. Pretty crazy to me that it's still going strong.

Moneyhatting is kinda all the more reason for Sony to acquire SquareEnix. It shows how much they still care about their content. Rather than moneyhatting them for say a dozen titles over the generation, why not acquire them and make the money back through the new added revenue stream? Constant moneyhatting is shortsighted if you got the resources to buy the entire company, which is pretty much a gigantic moneyhat in anything but name, efficiency, and control. They'd retain the option to sell them later down the road if things didn't go as well as they hoped.

They can choose to keep everything exactly as it is and still benefit greatly in the long run. And... they can choose to make more games exclusive to push console sales when production exceeds demand. Having complete control and 100% the revenue streams is more effective than moneyhatting. To top it off, there is always the threat of another platform holder buying them, or the SE management pulling a Konami.

But yeah, it's certainly nowhere near the level of Zenimax acquisition as far as pushing console sales, let alone Activison Blizzard. Didn't really calculate it in mind but I'd argue that removing Bethesda's games off Playstation may affect more PS players than removing ALL Capcom/SquareEnix/FromSoftware (okay maybe not Elden Ring) games combined from Xbox would affect Xbox players. So yes, it'd be a pretty tame acquisition in that sense.



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Tomb raider stays multi and FF stays on PS mainly, it would make sense



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Kyuu said:

I'm by no means an expert on how major acquisitions are handled, but perhaps it can be reasoned that Eidos studios and IP's selling for as cheap as they did is a result of Sony offering to buy SquareEnix at a very high price with the condition of SE quickly selling their western studios so Sony can bypass some FTC complications.

I think it's only a matter of time before Sony starts gobbling up a few Japanese studios (Arc System Works, Kojima Productions, and FromSoftware are other candidates). Then again, the FTC giving Microsoft trouble might have the exact opposite effect of Sony trying to pick up big studios or publishers.

If this does go through, I don't think Nintendo fans have much to worry about. SE could remain semi-autonomous and these smaller 2D/HD2D games, ports, and remasters, will continue releasing on Nintendo platforms, except they wouldn't be exclusive anymore. The few Xbox fans who care about SquareEnix stuff will probably get screwed worse than they already are. And PC will remain king.

I can see DQ12 going timed exclusive on PS5 before getting ported to PC and Switch 2, but even this is unlikely.

As Sony Interactive entertainment is an american company that in recent ears focused on western games, I doubt the start to gobble up japanese studios. SIE recently reduced their japanese development capacities, this would be counterproductive if they want to expand. I can see them taking studios close to them (Kojima) and strategic IPs (which is why Square or Capcom would be possibilities), but I don't think they care at all for all these smaller devs like Arc Systems, From, NIS or Falcom.

Well, Arc System Works is plausible in the context of Sony co-acquiring Evo. And FromSoft made a huge name for themselves, I wouldn't call them a smaller dev. They're incredibly productive and talented.



Kyuu said:

I'm by no means an expert on how major acquisitions are handled, but perhaps it can be reasoned that Eidos studios and IP's selling for as cheap as they did is a result of Sony offering to buy SquareEnix at a very high price with the condition of SE quickly selling their western studios so Sony can bypass some FTC complications.

I think it's only a matter of time before Sony starts gobbling up a few Japanese studios (Arc System Works, Kojima Productions, and FromSoftware are other candidates). Then again, the FTC giving Microsoft trouble might have the exact opposite effect of Sony trying to pick up big studios or publishers.

If this does go through, I don't think Nintendo fans have much to worry about. SE could remain semi-autonomous and these smaller 2D/HD2D games, ports, and remasters, will continue releasing on Nintendo platforms, except they wouldn't be exclusive anymore. The few Xbox fans who care about SquareEnix stuff will probably get screwed worse than they already are. And PC will remain king.

I can see DQ12 going timed exclusive on PS5 before getting ported to PC and Switch 2, but even this is unlikely.

Isn't Sony only now just receiving the same investigation from the FTC that MS got? (When Sony bought Bungie).

I can definitely see them buying out some more Japanese studios. Seems like the past few years, 2 of the big 3 have been making consolidation power moves, that and the other publishers have more or less shot themselves in the foot or weakened themselves in some other manner. 

I think when it comes to SE in general, Xbox fans get screwed almost all the time. I remember during 7th gen they got a lucky break by getting that one exclusive game from SE (the name escapes me atm), and then after Sony came back strong near the end of that gen, SE sided with them again and it's been like that since (of course with Ninty getting some love on the side as well). 

Not sure about their PC side though, as their ports are middling at best, and their newfound focus on upping the prices doesn't exactly sound enticing on PC. It more or less paints a picture that SE care greatly for Sony, with Nintendo in 2nd, PC a distant third and Xbox dead last. 

But that's on them really, the other markets are viable and exist to pander to, but I guess SE only cares about 1 & 1/2 of the entire market.



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I posted this in the PlayStation thread but I'll repost it here too:

Even without its western division, Square Enix would be an incredible get for Sony, bolstering their Japanese development arm with JRPG's/MMO's, improving content pipelines and PS+ BC, a few mobile development teams, as well as securing content for Crunchyroll via Gangan Comics.

Sony would get the Final Fantasy IP which includes the incredibly popular FFXIV + other spinoffs, DragonQuest which includes spinoffs like DQ Builders/DQ Heroes/DQ MMO and a popular anime series, Kingdom Hearts which strengthens their partnership with Disney, Nier as well as its upcoming anime adaptation, and other IP's like Star Ocean & Chrono Trigger, as well as some of the Western IP that Square Enix retained such as Life is Strange, Just Cause and Outriders.

Square Enix is one of the few Japanese publishers that would benefit a variety of Sony growth vectors with their various businesses. Most of Square Enix's flops have been from their western division (critically and commercially), as well as some of their partnerships like Babylon's Fall or Balan's Wonderland, but the former has been sold off and Sony would probably stop with the latter.



The only interesting part of this discussion would be about Square Enix's AA games.

Nintendo gets a ton of mid sized, timed or even fully exclusive, RPG games from Square. I could see Sony still releasing games on Nintendo platforms with the only change being that they wouldn't be exclusive. On the other hand, indie games like Sifu or Kena that aren't full price and review well, have been successful on the PlayStation platform. Sony could very well treat Square's smaller releases like they do with some of their bigger indie titles.