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DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

Your denial at his tease is really not suprising TBH.  To be asked about gamepass and say, "we have news, just not today" and not to associate the response as a hint to a gamepass competitor is a new level of willful ignorance.

Your denial is stranger though. Sony was very clear on saying day one isn't feasible for them.

I never said Sony promised day 1 releases, so you lost me there lol.  Jim Ryan teased a gamepass competitor back in 2020, and that was in regards to Bandorr's question of why the media hyped it up.  It all links back to Jim Ryan and his tease.

As for why I am disappointed, it is because nothing has really changed.  PSNow failed to deliver for me (gave it more than one chance), so to find out there big answer to gamepass that Jim teased was to just combine PS+ and PSNow with nothing new really added, and at the same price point that both cost in the first place...it was a huge letdown.  I did not expect day 1 releases, but I did expect some kind of positive change that was more than just lumping them together.  It wasn't good enough then, and nothing has changed except now you are required to get PS+ even if all you want is PSNow.

So there is no denial to speak of on my part...only disappointment.  It is almost as if this is a PR ploy to get rid of Gamepass vs PSNow and replace it with Gamepass vs PS Plus.  When Sony boasts about how many PS Plus subs they have, will they specify how many per tier?  Or just lump them all together to appease shareholders?

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I'll have to see what games are there, if games like Persona 3 FES and Persona 4 Golden, and Star Ocean 2nd are on there, I'll probably sign up for it. I hope they have something similar to Xbox with the $1 conversion of playstation+ .



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I don't think there was a moment Sony hyped this to be like Game Pass. We were told from the beginning it was essentially a PS+ and PSNow merge and not much else. If anyone expecting this to be like Game Pass, that's on them.

I think this is ignoring the realities we live in. If Sony placed it explicitly as GamePass competitor or not does not matter. In a world there Gamepass exists, such a service has to be compared to it. Because at the end Sony wants people to subscribe to the service. And if they want to do that, they will check their options. So if Sony made an official statement about Gamepass or not does not matter at all. Internally Sony will know that it will be judged against it.



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Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

Your denial is stranger though. Sony was very clear on saying day one isn't feasible for them.

I never said Sony promised day 1 releases, so you lost me there lol.  Jim Ryan teased a gamepass competitor back in 2020, and that was in regards to Bandorr's question of why the media hyped it up.  It all links back to Jim Ryan and his tease.

As for why I am disappointed, it is because nothing has really changed.  PSNow failed to deliver for me (gave it more than one chance), so to find out there big answer to gamepass that Jim teased was to just combine PS+ and PSNow with nothing new really added, and at the same price point that both cost in the first place...it was a huge letdown.  It wasn't good enough then, and nothing has changed except now you are required to get PS+ even if all you want is PSNow.

So there is no denial to speak of on my part...only disappointment.

Nope, he just stated what is know that PSNow was already available and offering what is essentially what GP do without the Day One. And well that includes download for local playing (and with the new platforms added this also include download of older titles except PS3).

If you aren't saying Sony promised, hinted or whatever Day 1 titles, what else would you expect? They changed with inclusion of all generations of games except PSVita and the trials, they have more titles than GP, so really what isn't there is day one. So you may try to rephrase yourself, but it won't really change it.

And as said by other posters, he never said anything directly about competing with GP, this is just reaching from cutting quotes and aligning as seem fit.



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DonFerrari said:
Shiken said:

I never said Sony promised day 1 releases, so you lost me there lol.  Jim Ryan teased a gamepass competitor back in 2020, and that was in regards to Bandorr's question of why the media hyped it up.  It all links back to Jim Ryan and his tease.

As for why I am disappointed, it is because nothing has really changed.  PSNow failed to deliver for me (gave it more than one chance), so to find out there big answer to gamepass that Jim teased was to just combine PS+ and PSNow with nothing new really added, and at the same price point that both cost in the first place...it was a huge letdown.  It wasn't good enough then, and nothing has changed except now you are required to get PS+ even if all you want is PSNow.

So there is no denial to speak of on my part...only disappointment.

Nope, he just stated what is know that PSNow was already available and offering what is essentially what GP do without the Day One. And well that includes download for local playing (and with the new platforms added this also include download of older titles except PS3).

If you aren't saying Sony promised, hinted or whatever Day 1 titles, what else would you expect? They changed with inclusion of all generations of games except PSVita and the trials, they have more titles than GP, so really what isn't there is day one. So you may try to rephrase yourself, but it won't really change it.

And as said by other posters, he never said anything directly about competing with GP, this is just reaching from cutting quotes and aligning as seem fit.

He was asked about a gamepass competitor, and he said, "we have news coming, but not at this date."  This suggests they were looking into a gamepass competitor.

Again, I never said anything about day 1 PS game releases.  I was referring to the fact that teasing a "gamepass competitor" while changing nothing but increasing the entry cost for PSNow (since now you NEED PSPlus) is a disappointment.  They did not necessarily need day 1 PS games to be a competitor, not sure where you get that from.  They just needed to do something to make the offer of better value, but instead changed nothing but rebrand it in name only.



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I'm still waiting for two things before I'll bite:

1) Sony to put their entire backlog of first-party & owned IPs on the service (also, getting some old third-party PS1 & PS2 titles would be nice).

2) An option to download the games rather than stream them.

In other words, if it's as close to a 1:1 equivalent to Game Pass as possible, I'd definitely consider it. Not only are there a lot of old Sony games that are hard to get anymore and that'd I'd love to play on my PS5, but honestly I don't like the idea of game streaming. That's why I never bothered with PS Now. If something happens to the connection at any point, it can hurt the quality of the experience and could even abruptly end your session, which is a bigger deal to me compared to streaming video as gaming is interactive while TV & movies are passive. My internet is pretty good, but that doesn't mean shit don't happen on occasion with trying to use streaming services, either on my end or the service's end. That's not really an issue with a download as you have a local copy dependent only on your hardware working (unless it's an online title, but I only play single-player).



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Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, he just stated what is know that PSNow was already available and offering what is essentially what GP do without the Day One. And well that includes download for local playing (and with the new platforms added this also include download of older titles except PS3).

If you aren't saying Sony promised, hinted or whatever Day 1 titles, what else would you expect? They changed with inclusion of all generations of games except PSVita and the trials, they have more titles than GP, so really what isn't there is day one. So you may try to rephrase yourself, but it won't really change it.

And as said by other posters, he never said anything directly about competing with GP, this is just reaching from cutting quotes and aligning as seem fit.

He was asked about a gamepass competitor, and he said, "we have news coming, but not at this date."  This suggests they were looking into a gamepass competitor.

Again, I never said anything about day 1 PS game releases.  I was referring to the fact that teasing a "gamepass competitor" while changing nothing but increasing the entry cost for PSNow (since now you NEED PSPlus) is a disappointment.  They did not necessarily need day 1 PS games to be a competitor, not sure where you get that from.  They just needed to do something to make the offer of better value, but instead changed nothing but rebrand it in name only.

You either consider PSNow was already the GP competitor and so they didn't need to create anything new to compete or that it isn't and mentioning PSNow would be irrelevant, you can't go both ways.

They added PS1, PS2, PSP and PS5 titles and the trials to PSNow on the price that combines PS+ and PSNow and have it cheaper than the combo if you don't want legacy content. How is that nothing? And both situations are cheaper than GP. So again the difference is day and date.

Shadow1980 said:

I'm still waiting for two things before I'll bite:

1) Sony to put their entire backlog of first-party & owned IPs on the service (also, getting some old third-party PS1 & PS2 titles would be nice).

2) An option to download the games rather than stream them.

In other words, if it's as close to a 1:1 equivalent to Game Pass as possible, I'd definitely consider it. Not only are there a lot of old Sony games that are hard to get anymore and that'd I'd love to play on my PS5, but honestly I don't like the idea of game streaming. That's why I never bothered with PS Now. If something happens to the connection at any point, it can hurt the quality of the experience and could even abruptly end your session, which is a bigger deal to me compared to streaming video as gaming is interactive while TV & movies are passive. My internet is pretty good, but that doesn't mean shit don't happen on occasion with trying to use streaming services, either on my end or the service's end. That's not really an issue with a download as you have a local copy dependent only on your hardware working (unless it's an online title, but I only play single-player).

1) The addition of more titles will be on going (and from what we know it already have more than MS offering, and they will add PS1, PS2 and PSP titles including third party, but no list given yet).

2) you already have the option to download on PS4 and PS5, this have been a thing forever (except for PS3 titles), and the inclusion of PS1,2,PSP will also allow download. Unless you want to play on PC.



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As some claiming that people comparing this to Gamepass set themself up and a comparison is invalid as Sony never declared it a competitor, I need to say something.

There are consumers out there (quite a lot actually) that haven't bought into the new gen yet and may be possibly interested into a game subscription service. They have following options:

  • Xbox Series S or X + Gamepass
  • PS5 + PS Plus Extra/Premium

Comparing the two services and what they have to offer is only natural. Because that is to what it comes down. People bought into the PS ecosystem probably already have PS Plus and possibly PS Now. For them things stay basically the same. So the main target must be people that haven't opted into the new gen yet. Otherwise the question must be asked: for who Sony intends this offering?



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Shiken said:
DonFerrari said:

Nope, he just stated what is know that PSNow was already available and offering what is essentially what GP do without the Day One. And well that includes download for local playing (and with the new platforms added this also include download of older titles except PS3).

If you aren't saying Sony promised, hinted or whatever Day 1 titles, what else would you expect? They changed with inclusion of all generations of games except PSVita and the trials, they have more titles than GP, so really what isn't there is day one. So you may try to rephrase yourself, but it won't really change it.

And as said by other posters, he never said anything directly about competing with GP, this is just reaching from cutting quotes and aligning as seem fit.

He was asked about a gamepass competitor, and he said, "we have news coming, but not at this date."  This suggests they were looking into a gamepass competitor.

Again, I never said anything about day 1 PS game releases.  I was referring to the fact that teasing a "gamepass competitor" while changing nothing but increasing the entry cost for PSNow (since now you NEED PSPlus) is a disappointment.  They did not necessarily need day 1 PS games to be a competitor, not sure where you get that from.  They just needed to do something to make the offer of better value, but instead changed nothing but rebrand it in name only.

Well, in the article you linked Jim Ryan was asked about their reply to Gamepass.
A reply doesn't necessarily have to be a competitor, nor have the same concept. (Although in this case it does of course.)

If one company is seeing success through microtransactions (like Rockstar through GTAV), and an interviewer then asks another studio how they are going to respond, their answer may be something completely different, like increasing the appeal of their single player games to reach a wider audience.

But this was how the interviewer framed the question, and may not be how Sony would categorize it if they brought up the subject.
PS Now is however Sony's game subscription service. So when asked about their future plans in regards to another game subscription service, no matter how an interviewer frames it, they will likely reply by talking about PS Now.

If people drew conclusions based on that, then I think that's more on them.
It's fair to say that since he replied to the question, they positioned it as their answer to Gamepass. But there's no cookie cutter mold for what the answer should look like.

I didn't expect much more than this based on how Sony have talked specifically about the Gamepass model and how it "doesn't make sense for us" or "We just don't see that as sustainable.” .

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