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Whatever happens, Nintendo will prioritize battery power - as it should. Steam Deck is a disaster, as its battery life is mediocre when trying to run 3D games. It is also a behemoth in size and weight. While a fantastic device, it kind of proved Nintendo's position regarding concessions that have to be made for effective portable gaming.



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Helloplite said:

Whatever happens, Nintendo will prioritize battery power - as it should. Steam Deck is a disaster, as its battery life is mediocre when trying to run 3D games. It is also a behemoth in size and weight. While a fantastic device, it kind of proved Nintendo's position regarding concessions that have to be made for effective portable gaming.

Disaster? Despite glowing reviews? Earliest availability is Q4 2022 to next year? And getting 3+ hours of battery life by doing minor tweaks to settings?



                  

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Helloplite said:

Whatever happens, Nintendo will prioritize battery power - as it should. Steam Deck is a disaster, as its battery life is mediocre when trying to run 3D games. It is also a behemoth in size and weight. While a fantastic device, it kind of proved Nintendo's position regarding concessions that have to be made for effective portable gaming.

And price. I find the deck a bit to expensive.



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Helloplite said:

Whatever happens, Nintendo will prioritize battery power - as it should. Steam Deck is a disaster, as its battery life is mediocre when trying to run 3D games. It is also a behemoth in size and weight. While a fantastic device, it kind of proved Nintendo's position regarding concessions that have to be made for effective portable gaming.

Yup battery life and price will be the limiting factors. And obviously size. The last thing anybody wants is a monstrous Steam Deck style system for the next Nintendo system. Steam Deck proved all the ways Switch did stuff right, by doing it all wrong haha. Switch 2 will have plenty of power, while still having a portable size and decent battery life, and have a good price, all of which Steam Deck failed to do.

The OLED model already refined the Switch, next gen all they need to do is up the specs as afforded by the tech advancements since the Switch came out and fix any issues in the original design (thinking here mostly joy con drift and making the connections between system and joycons need to be stronger).

I'd actually love to see them launch a hybrid and Lite model both at launch of the system. That way they could price the hybrid a little higher, like $350, allowing them to include a bit more in it, while having the more affordable Lite at say $250 from day 1.



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Cobretti2 said:

Nah I reckon 2-3 years time now that NVIDIA owns ARM. They will throw more money at it to make it happen quicker.  The way Sony and Microsoft are pumping out the consoles so slowly (for obvious reasons out of their control) I think they will be around a bit longer than normal

Sorry to tell you, but the ARM purchase stopped last month.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-and-softbank-group-announce-termination-of-nvidias-acquisition-of-arm-limited

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3649132/nvidia-drops-plans-to-buy-arm-for-40b.html

https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/02/08/what-nvidia-cant-buy-it-can-still-get-through-an-arm-partnership/

Well damn that does make things a little bit more different and interesting to see where it all goes from here. Would have been nice to have that NVIDIA money thrown at the next development.

I guess it will now come down to how much Nintendo will want to customise something like the Orin NX. Do they need more RT and Tensor cores added to get DLSS running better? does it have enough to get it to 4K?



 

 

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Cobretti2 said:
TomaTito said:

Sorry to tell you, but the ARM purchase stopped last month.

https://nvidianews.nvidia.com/news/nvidia-and-softbank-group-announce-termination-of-nvidias-acquisition-of-arm-limited

https://www.computerworld.com/article/3649132/nvidia-drops-plans-to-buy-arm-for-40b.html

https://www.nextplatform.com/2022/02/08/what-nvidia-cant-buy-it-can-still-get-through-an-arm-partnership/

Well damn that does make things a little bit more different and interesting to see where it all goes from here. Would have been nice to have that NVIDIA money thrown at the next development.

I guess it will now come down to how much Nintendo will want to customise something like the Orin NX. Do they need more RT and Tensor cores added to get DLSS running better? does it have enough to get it to 4K?

Nvidia doesn't own ARM but they are still throwing huge R&D into ARM CPU development:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/

I think they can do RT cores while keeping the cost $400 or less as well as DLSS. Anything Valve can do with the Steam Deck, the Switch 2 can do for less price and the Steam Deck does Ray Tracing better than one would expect. But obviously since the Steam Deck is AMD, no DLSS so if Nintendo chooses to add Tensor cores on the Switch 2, then it can absolutely do 4k upscaling with Docked. If Nintendo has to choose between adding in RT cores or Tensor Cores, they should certainly choose Tensor cores but since it's Nvidia, I think the switch 2 might have both but we will see.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:
Cobretti2 said:

Well damn that does make things a little bit more different and interesting to see where it all goes from here. Would have been nice to have that NVIDIA money thrown at the next development.

I guess it will now come down to how much Nintendo will want to customise something like the Orin NX. Do they need more RT and Tensor cores added to get DLSS running better? does it have enough to get it to 4K?

Nvidia doesn't own ARM but they are still throwing huge R&D into ARM CPU development:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/

I think they can do RT cores while keeping the cost $400 or less as well as DLSS. Anything Valve can do with the Steam Deck, the Switch 2 can do for less price and the Steam Deck does Ray Tracing better than one would expect. But obviously since the Steam Deck is AMD, no DLSS so if Nintendo chooses to add Tensor cores on the Switch 2, then it can absolutely do 4k upscaling with Docked. If Nintendo has to choose between adding in RT cores or Tensor Cores, they should certainly choose Tensor cores but since it's Nvidia, I think the switch 2 might have both but we will see.

Well according to Wiki, if people are leaning towards Orin NX (the compact version of the main Orin chip), it has the following as default

1024:8:32 (8, 1, 4)
Shader Processors : Ray tracing cores : Tensor Cores (SM count, GPCs, TPCs)

The full model has:
2048:16:64 (16, 2, 8)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Orin



 

 

Cobretti2 said:
Captain_Yuri said:

Nvidia doesn't own ARM but they are still throwing huge R&D into ARM CPU development:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/

I think they can do RT cores while keeping the cost $400 or less as well as DLSS. Anything Valve can do with the Steam Deck, the Switch 2 can do for less price and the Steam Deck does Ray Tracing better than one would expect. But obviously since the Steam Deck is AMD, no DLSS so if Nintendo chooses to add Tensor cores on the Switch 2, then it can absolutely do 4k upscaling with Docked. If Nintendo has to choose between adding in RT cores or Tensor Cores, they should certainly choose Tensor cores but since it's Nvidia, I think the switch 2 might have both but we will see.

Well according to Wiki, if people are leaning towards Orin NX (the compact version of the main Orin chip), it has the following as default

1024:8:32 (8, 1, 4)
Shader Processors : Ray tracing cores : Tensor Cores (SM count, GPCs, TPCs)

The full model has:
2048:16:64 (16, 2, 8)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tegra#Orin

That would be quite impressive. I think it will be similar to Steam Decks performance when it comes to Raster and perhaps double in certain situations when you turn on Ray Tracing. With DLSS, it would be pretty insane piece of tech.



                  

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Captain_Yuri said:

Nvidia doesn't own ARM but they are still throwing huge R&D into ARM CPU development:

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/data-center/grace-cpu/

Next is Project Denver, which was going to be a beefy GPU with beefy Arm CPU cores on it, not a free-standing CPU like Grace.

Would be cool if the next hybrid console got the state of the art in hybrid computing as well.



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If Orin NX, I am amused that they'd go with that for Switch 2 considering Switch 1's codename was NX back in the day.