I don't think Ukraine will surrender either, but it'll be all the same to Trump, Ukraine eventually loses = The war stops, I don't think it matters to him how it stops, even if that means millions of Ukrainians slaughtered, as long as it stops and without American support Ukraine will quickly lose ground. There's also so many other things America could do to hurt Ukraine aside from stopping sending their own equipment. Also I think, Zelenskyy would be kind of fucked if he surrendered that easily, Ukraine is a heavy militarised country now, they'd probably be a military coup if the terms aren't good for Ukraine.

Not saying it's impossible, there's a slim chance that something could work, I'm just very unconvinced and I hope Europe doesn't wait around for it, actually straight up fucking pathetic how much Europe has dragged its feet despite the threat of Trump being known for years now. Extremely poor preparation planning.  Maybe Poland should threaten to enter Ukraine if America abandons Ukraine cause I know for a fact Poland doesn't want Russia on its borders and they have fear that if Ukraine falls due to the West's inaction and weakness, Poland and the Baltics will be next.

Yeah, I agree the situation isn't good, but we'll see how it pans out. I don't think Poland needs to be worried, because if Russia can maybe just barely handle Ukraine, they stand no chance against Poland, which is significantly wealthier and probably much, much better equipped, and also backed directly by NATO. I just don't see a world where Russia could gain anything from Poland without nuclear weapons. I think this is also known well enough in Poland. The Baltics, on the other hand, should probably be quite worried. It's absolutely pitiful how Europe has handled the whole situation. Here's hoping things improve with a dedicated defense commissioner in the EU now, but I certainly don't have my hopes very high.

Just hope this isn't a repeat of WW2 and we watch Hitler 2.0 slowly slaughter an entire country and do nothing about it thinking we'll be fine, I don't even give a fuck if we'll be fine, we should be saving Ukraine simply because it's the right thing to do even before any "will they/won't they invade Baltics next" though Moldova will be next if they don't submit before then.

It just really really feels like, nobody has learnt a thing about WW2, especially America.

I believe Europe can step up if they really tried but will they try...Come on man...We're Europe...We're a collection of some of the most powerful countries in the world...If we're united we are a formidable force. We've defeated Nazis before and we can do it again. Even better this time because it's not fucking half of Europe fighting each other, Lol. We have a common enemy.

Europe needs to get real, we can send Ukraine what they need and yes it will hurt our defences but literally the only country that is a threat to us is Russia who we could defeat in Ukraine and who is more likely to recover faster? Europe or Russia? Definitely Europe. Quite frankly I'd happily give Ukraine ALL of UK's stock of IFVs, MBTs, etc. Then just rebuild it back up over time, who is threatening us?! Who is going to attack UK?! And no, if America starts shit with China but abandons Ukraine then they can deal with that shit themselves. 

Europe is our home, not Asia, not Africa, not America. Europe is ours to protect. Europe should be our priority. Even if we sent all our land-based equipment we would still have enough in air force and navy to protect ourselves. We can't even give Ukraine any naval stuff anyway because Türkiye closed the strait so that's not even a consideration.

Yeah Poland would probably slap Russia down but they still don't want Russia on their border.

Baltics is worrying because I even question myself, if America abandons NATO, is UK/Germany/France really going to send TROOPS into the tiny Baltic countries to defend them? Are we going to see it worth the risk in our constant attitude of fear of escalation? I mean, it would basically kill NATO if we didn't respond but maybe that's all NATO would be at the end of the day, an illusion of defence...Can't believe I'm even doubting this at this stage but it's the action of these governments that have made me do so.

Russia's economy is so pitiful for its size that we could fart at Russia and win, if we only bothered to do that - and by 'we' I mean just the EU, let alone if the UK and any non-EU countries in Europe were also added to the mix. I don't think people realize how little we would have to do to help give Ukraine a massive advantage and not have to worry about Russia again in what's probably at least 20 years, all of which could be achieved by not losing a single non-Ukrainian life either.

Remember when that PMC turned around and decided to march up to Putin's door and then Putin conveniently bailed before they could reach the capital?, that's how easy it would be. 

The thing I'm weary about is Putin himself. Soldiers can give up and leave/surrender, but Putin, he's the type that doesn't like to lose (he's about as mad as Stalin). 

Yes I know that, what I meant is that Trump wouldn't help South Korea in case of some crazy idea from NK to attack them. Maybe even with Russian help. Sure, it's unrealistic but it's harder to give your equipment to Ukraine with NK as neighbour when you know that USA isn't on your side then. 

I’m wondering if the chances of using nukes has gone up now that Putin has an asset in charge of the US?