Russia and Ukraine flashpoint

[Ryuu96]

Zkuq said:

Ryuu96 said:

Maybe, but then he has told Orban (privately) that he would cut off aid to Ukraine. He has surrounded himself with anti-Ukraine voices (JD Vance, Elon Musk, JFK Jr) and spent lengthy parts of his rallies talking shit about Ukraine and Zelenskyy. I feel the only way for Ukraine is to somehow play massively to Trump's ego and hope that works which they are already doing. Also Trump holds a vendetta against Ukraine/Zelenskyy.

Maybe sell Trump that he could be the hero of Ukraine and build some fucking hotels there or some stupid shit after the war, Lol. Or more seriously, sell America something that Trump can benefit from, like drilling rigs or a few of their rare mineral mining operations. Sickening to imagine Zelenskyy is going to have to basically get on his hands and knees for Trump to help.

Would rather UK stepped up and gave America something than Ukraine though. Europe needs to massively step up on their own terms but I'd be fine with Keir trying to convince Trump, isn't that what UK has always been? The go-between America and Europe. Maybe Trump will listen to us, maybe not. Worth a try and while we're trying we need to work on becoming independent of America.

Yeah, but I don't think Ukraine is just going to surrender if Trump cuts off all aid from the US. Maybe Ukraine won't fight until the bitter end, but it certainly seems like they've got some juice to make it costly for Russia. I just don't see Zelenskyy, or anyone else, giving up now while they can still fight, struggle as it might be. The Ukrainian people might be willing to make peace, even at cost, but I don't they're at all ready to essentially surrender. Trump would have to make both parties an offer they think they can't best for a quick peace (i.e. something involving de facto independence for Ukraine even in the future if they make peace, and probably much worse time for Russia if they refuse), and I don't think he's committed enough for that.

I don't think Ukraine will surrender either, but it'll be all the same to Trump, Ukraine eventually loses = The war stops, I don't think it matters to him how it stops, even if that means millions of Ukrainians slaughtered, as long as it stops and without American support Ukraine will quickly lose ground. There's also so many other things America could do to hurt Ukraine aside from stopping sending their own equipment. Also I think, Zelenskyy would be kind of fucked if he surrendered that easily, Ukraine is a heavy militarised country now, they'd probably be a military coup if the terms aren't good for Ukraine.

Not saying it's impossible, there's a slim chance that something could work, I'm just very unconvinced and I hope Europe doesn't wait around for it, actually straight up fucking pathetic how much Europe has dragged its feet despite the threat of Trump being known for years now. Extremely poor preparation planning.  Maybe Poland should threaten to enter Ukraine if America abandons Ukraine cause I know for a fact Poland doesn't want Russia on its borders and they have fear that if Ukraine falls due to the West's inaction and weakness, Poland and the Baltics will be next.

Last edited by Ryuu96 - on 06 November 2024