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Ryuu96 on 06 November 2024
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Zkuq said:
Ryuu96 said:

I don't think Ukraine will surrender either, but it'll be all the same to Trump, Ukraine eventually loses = The war stops, I don't think it matters to him how it stops, even if that means millions of Ukrainians slaughtered, as long as it stops and without American support Ukraine will quickly lose ground. There's also so many other things America could do to hurt Ukraine aside from stopping sending their own equipment. Also I think, Zelenskyy would be kind of fucked if he surrendered that easily, Ukraine is a heavy militarised country now, they'd probably be a military coup if the terms aren't good for Ukraine.

Not saying it's impossible, there's a slim chance that something could work, I'm just very unconvinced and I hope Europe doesn't wait around for it, actually straight up fucking pathetic how much Europe has dragged its feet despite the threat of Trump being known for years now. Extremely poor preparation planning.  Maybe Poland should threaten to enter Ukraine if America abandons Ukraine cause I know for a fact Poland doesn't want Russia on its borders and they have fear that if Ukraine falls due to the West's inaction and weakness, Poland and the Baltics will be next.

Yeah, I agree the situation isn't good, but we'll see how it pans out. I don't think Poland needs to be worried, because if Russia can maybe just barely handle Ukraine, they stand no chance against Poland, which is significantly wealthier and probably much, much better equipped, and also backed directly by NATO. I just don't see a world where Russia could gain anything from Poland without nuclear weapons. I think this is also known well enough in Poland. The Baltics, on the other hand, should probably be quite worried. It's absolutely pitiful how Europe has handled the whole situation. Here's hoping things improve with a dedicated defense commissioner in the EU now, but I certainly don't have my hopes very high.

Yeah Poland would probably slap Russia down but they still don't want Russia on their border.

Baltics is worrying because I even question myself, if America abandons NATO, is UK/Germany/France really going to send TROOPS into the tiny Baltic countries to defend them? Are we going to see it worth the risk in our constant attitude of fear of escalation? I mean, it would basically kill NATO if we didn't respond but maybe that's all NATO would be at the end of the day, an illusion of defence...Can't believe I'm even doubting this at this stage but it's the action of these governments that have made me do so.