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EpicRandy on 23 March 2022

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/finlands-people-now-strongly-back-103211072.html
Support for joining NATO in Finland is growing rapidly. It is now 60% when it was 34% in 2021.
Finland next election is only a year away. You can be certain that with this kind of support from the population one of 2 thing will happen, either the current government apply for a NATO membership and secure their jobs or it would be a big talking point leading up to the election and it'll probably be impossible for a party to run with a platform that doesn't include joining NATO.



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SecondWar on 23 March 2022
Ryuu96 said:

Ukraine Just Captured Part Of One Of Russia's Most Capable Electronic Warfare Systems

Probably be sending that to USA, Lol. Embarrassing from Russia.

Probably can’t physically ship it at present. At worst though they’ll probably be on the phone to the US to discuss its tech specs, ways Ukraine can use it themselves with shipping to the US at a later date.

That or the US will give them some bonus armaments to ship it immediately with a black ops team sent to escort it before a Russia black ops team can recover it.



Zkuq on 23 March 2022
JRPGfan said:

Thats insane, considering its mostly civilians takeing up arms, to fight against military, after just short training.

Well, that's not really the case though. First they serve 12-18 months, then move into reserve, and get recalled during mobilization when that happens (i.e. for war). They get proper training, and although they've been in reserve not doing military things for some time, they definitely don't start at zero either. It's the same thing here in Finland, except it's 6-12 months here so it's even less.



Dulfite on 23 March 2022
Ka-pi96 said:
Dulfite said:

Yeah, invading another country you just have professional militaries and mercenaries, but being invaded unlocks militias and other citizens being able to contribute. The total amount of armed Ukrainians defending their country greatly outnumber that of the Russians invading them.

I've said it before and I'll say it again, armed citizenry is the greatest deterrent to someone invading you and doing so successfully. People always think it comes down to missiles, but countries like Russia or China don't invade to just wipe out entire cities and populations, they want to capture that nations economy and absorb the profits. You can't do that by blowing everything up and killing everyone, you have to do a land invasion. This is why the USA is so protected.

In 2018, a survey showed there were over 1 billion guns in the world. Of that number, 85% were in the hands of citizens, not militaries. Of that number, 46% are in the hands of the US citizens. The safest thing humans could do to deter invasions, school shootings, hostage situations, the list goes on, is to issue every legal adult a gun that passed a mental screening. This isn't the wild west, where many had guns, they could shoot someone and ride off never to be caught. We have cameras everywhere, the internet, satellites. Arming people isn't going to cause sane people to start shooting randomly at people. It will prevent those already with murder on their hearts from killing as many, if any other people because ideally any room they step in with a gun pointing at someone will have numerous people pointing a gun right back waiting for the police to show up to arrest the would-be murderer. 

There would be fewer massacres every year and a lot less international tension and ears if every legal citizen that is mentally stable had a gun. Do mental screenings annually to be safe.

There's some merit to what you're saying, with Switzerland being a golden example. Guns absolutely don't prevent school shootings/hostage situations though, they create them. You can avoid them despite having guns if the culture, education and health care services (mental health specifically) are good enough, but in the US they're absolutely not, so gun ownership just increases the amount of those things.

Moreso I was saying if mentally stable people know others in the room will have a gun, and being mentally stable they will want to live themselves, they won't attempt anything, so there will be less loss of life just because this group of would be murderers will be too scared to pull anything. The other guns would deter them from even attempting something.

For the mentally unstable people, knowing other guns won't be a deterrent to them drawing their guns, but it will be a deterrent to how much damage they can do before someone shoots them and stops the damage done.

Anyway, this kind of organically came up (in my head) as I wrote out my previous long post, when thinking about Ukraine and comparing their citizenry's preparedness to USA. I did not intend for so many to respond to it instead, whether agreeing with it or disagreeing, and I don't want to further take away from the focus on Ukraine.



SecondWar on 24 March 2022
Ryuu96 said:

The large landing ship Orsk of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian occupiers was temporarily destroyed in the Russian-occupied port of Berdyansk.

How do you 'temporarily destroy' something?



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Barozi on 24 March 2022
SecondWar said:
Ryuu96 said:

The large landing ship Orsk of the Black Sea Fleet of the Russian occupiers was temporarily destroyed in the Russian-occupied port of Berdyansk.

How do you 'temporarily destroy' something?

When you disable their engines for example. But since it's docked at a port they might be able to repair it in a few days/weeks.

EDIT: Apparently it is destroyed so nevermind.

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m0ney on 24 March 2022

Even knowing that we see maybe 1% of what is going on, I don't understand how can unarmed civilians do protesting in the occupied territories. IMO they should be organizing in big groups, making molotovs and attacking the occupants in stealth action style, burning them at night etc. Maybe they are doing it all? They must be. I just can't understand the unarmed people who gather and protest against occupants armed with AK47s.



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TallSilhouette on 24 March 2022

U.S. to welcome up to 100,000 Ukrainian refugees



SanAndreasX on 24 March 2022
Ryuu96 said:

It would be awesome if this war ended up as a two-for for getting neo-Soviet dictators out of office. I know that's extremely unlikely, but still.



TallSilhouette on 24 March 2022

With how shameless their gaslighting is and how much of the Russian population it apparently still works on I wonder if Russia would declare victory even if they completely fail to hold on to any territory or change any of the leadership in Ukraine, going home with a historically bad body count. Would it succeed in holding on to majority support in the country and allowing those in power (that aren't made patsies) to keep their positions and heads?